[Mb-civic] Re: losing customers

[Ian]

madbaker:

I sincerely apologize if something I said caused you to believe that you are
somehow my "enemy."  Not true.  Nor am I in any way trying to "score points"
in any sort of "competition" with you vis-a-vis our differing beliefs.
Indeed, if I am a part of something that is causing people to leave Civic, I
would leave it myself so as to cause no further damage.  But, as Michael and
Karen point out, I do not think that either of us is doing so.  We are
disagreeing - if sometimes somewhat vigorously - but that does not put us in
competition or make us enemies or mean that either of us is contributing to
the downfall of Civic.

>From a political perspective, I doubt that you and I are very far apart at
all: indeed, I "enjoy" (though that may not be the right word) and generally
support your cynical view of the current geo-politik.  Indeed, I may
actually believe it's even worse than YOU posit, because my political
leanings are probably even more "conspiracy theorist" than yours.

>From a "religious" perspective, it is clear that we come from two very
different places.  But the fact that we disagree does not - and should not -
define any "relationship" we have via Civic.  Heck, we could get even MORE
"down and dirty" in our "mutual mud-slinging" (LOL), and that would still
not mean anything more than that we continue to disagree, and are unlikely
to change the other one's views on the issue.

Rest assured that I welcome, indeed cherish, your opinions, even when I
fervently disagree with them.  And if ever we meet, I would greet you like a
brother, with a huge hug and a big smile.  And they would both be genuine.

Peace.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karen Baker" <karen.baker2 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>; "Ginger Baker"
<jabaka at futurenet.co.za>
Cc: "Governance" <michael at michaelbutler.com>; "Civic"
<mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:19 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] Re: losing customers


> it's what makes me stay-how absurd to think we would
> all agree-or really how boring-duality-bring it on-its
> great good theater- good dialogue-the beginning - the
> spoken word-your exchange is all that-xok
> --- Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com> wrote:
>
> > Mad,
> > Don¹t fret. No one has left because of what you
> > write. They may not agree
> > but differences are important to be seen.
> > Besides they are not customers, they are friends or
> > friends of friends.
> > Michael
> > --Don't persuade people to accept an argument
> > Get people to trust their own judgment.
> >
> >
> >
> > > bear
> > > .......my writings seem to be losing you
> > customers...one more little point for
> > > ian....god is supposed to have created the
> > universe in 6 days....how very
> > > silly and earth locked...what is a day?...on every
> > planet in the solar system
> > > it is of different length..only we little
> > earthlings have a twenty four hour
> > > day....what is a day?..what is time?? questions
> > the bible cannot answer.....
> > > going off on a very different track...the u.s.
> > elections...i'm afraid that i
> > > [and i suspect most europeans] have lost interest
> > completely...their is a
> > > choice between to very rich men both of whom have
> > pledged to continue
> > > america's wars...terrorism, iraq and
> > afghanistan...just because they want to
> > > please the american people...the europans [and
> > most of the world] simply want
> > > these wars to stop...therein lies the
> > rub....america wants war...most of the
> > > rest of us don't.....madbaker
> > >
> >
> >
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