[Mb-civic] A Planet Of Life

[Ian]

Cheeseburger:

It would be disingenuous to disagree that I (and all Christians, or anyone
who believes in a particular spirituo-religious construct) may be wrong in
our beliefs.  That is always a possibility.  I can only reiterate that, at
least in Christianity, we "walk by faith, not by sight."

That said, keep in mind that the Judeo-Christian construct (especially the
Christian part) speaks of the "temporal" world - i.e., that which humankind
sees and experiences - and the "spiritual" world - that which is outside the
realm of human "sight."  However, some of us have had "spirit" experiences
in which we have had "peeks" - whether visual, aural or other - into the
"spiritual" world.  And I'm not talking "ghosts" etc. here.  I'm talking
about the "other" world that exists not simply "parallel" to ours, but
simultaneous with it: the one in which the various "spirits" - angels,
demons, etc. - exist.  This does not necessarily prove the "correctness" of
our construct of "evil," but it certainly gives us pause.

As for Einstein and multiple universes, ironically enough (given that I am a
minister), I am probably among the best-read and educated lay people re
theoretical physics, hyperspace, the superstring theory and multiple
universes.  In addition to reading dozens of books on the subject, Michio
Kaku - one of the most respected theoretical and nuclear physicists in the
world, and a major force in the superstring theory - was my professor.  In
this regard, I was fascinated by the concept of multiple universes
(according to hyperspace theory, there are ten) for a very "Christian"
reason: i.e., could one of those universes be what Christians call "Heaven?"
(And, of course, the question could also be asked: could one of them be
"Hell?").  How do we know where the living spirit - the soul - goes after
death?  Sure, atheists and other non-believers believe that "when you die,
you die"; end of story, no future for the soul.  Yet for those of us who DO
believe, it is beyond our understanding to know "where" Heaven is.  And
since it almost certainly is not within the "timespace" that humankind knows
(the universe we live in), if it exists, it must exist in some alternate
timespace.  The hyperspace theory opens up that possibility.

Thus, despite those who see science and faith (or religion) as mutually
exclusive, I firmly believe that each serves the other, but that we simply
don't have the knowledge or understanding to see the overlaps and parallels.

Peace.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] A Planet Of Life


> Re:  A Planet Of Life
>
>
> Ian wrote:
>
> ======
> Given all that you point out in your enlightening missive, it seems to me
> that the only thing missing is an ascription to - a naming of - the "dark
> powers" you mention.  You (and others)may see it as an amorphous, if sadly
> understandable, outgrowth of humankind's propensity for greed, power,
> control, etc.  The Judeo-Christian construct has a name for it: Satan.
And
> we see his hand in all of the things you mention.
> ======
>
>
> You know, Ian, if such "invisible" "dimensional" "spiritual" "whatever"
> "bad-influencing" beings exist, and people like Einstein, myself, and a
> couple of others are actually right, it might have a name, or rather,
> *they* might have names.  And you *might* be right that one of the names
> might be the one you have referred to above.
>
> The only thing you have to consider is that for all your particular
> "believing", you *might* be wrong.  It's "name" might not be that at all.
>
> And the entire construct of "It's", or rather "Their", world might be
> completely different than that which any "judeo-christianic" teachings
have
> offered so far as "explanations".
>
> The bottom line is that, if such a place and things exist in it, you might
> be limiting your view of the Reality of it by your own confines your
> particular religion places upon its description.
>
> I'm not one to really desire to sit around and hash out "biblical stuff"
> too much here, but you brought up a good point.  It being that if Einstein
> was right that *many* multiple dimensions exist, and if I am right in
> considering that if those multiple dimensions exist that they very well
> might be inhabited and not entirely by "benevolent beings", the
"construct"
> of your religion *might* fit right into the entire scenario.
>
> Of course, however, I still have to consider that those "beings" might
have
> created your, and others', religion way back when just as a very clever
> distraction from True Reality.
>
> And have used them ever since to enforce this "invisible enslavement".
>
> But who really knows........
>
> If I could afford an actual copy of the complete Mahabharata, I might be
> able to further investigate "wars between good and evil" that were
> chronicled by various personages long before "the bible" came into
> existence, but that too is a moot point since a complete english
> translation is so expensive to purchase.
>
> The bottom line remains that something funny is apparently going on, not
> all within our "level of vision", and it might not be specifically
> attributable to any specific "religious construct", and there remain a lot
> of missing pieces to "The Puzzle".
>
> Haven't you ever watched a dog or a cat stare at the wall and then shift
> their eyes tracing something's movements here and there, and then when you
> look at the wall you see nothing but a wall there...?
>
> All in all, I don't think the "lesser animals" are just sitting there
> playing mind games on you trying to freak you out.
>
> Nor do I think they belong to any specific "religion" as they experience
> and relate to such things on this planet that we never even notice, even
if
> we could....
>
>
>
> Cheeseburger
>
> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
>
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