[Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18
Michael Butler
michael at michaelbutler.com
Sun Feb 6 15:56:26 PST 2005
All,
Ian says that Bush is not the Anti-Christ.
I must defer to that coming from our resident clergy.
Bush could be worse.
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> 1. EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (Michael Butler)
> 2. EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names (Michael Butler)
> 3. Re: EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (richard haase)
> 4. Re: Why I Like Dean-Michael (Robin McNamara)
> 5. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> 6. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> 7. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> 8. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> 9. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:40:06 -0800
> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <BE2A5306.1D4F4%michael at michaelbutler.com>
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> latimes.com
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>
> February 5, 2005
>
> Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
> James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and his
> soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a homosexual
> cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming, role
> model for kids.
>
> Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the more
> a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long assumed
> were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something, and
> as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> examples:
>
> ? Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but who
> really buys those twin beds?
>
>
>
> ? Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George. No
> wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
>
> ? The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally carries
> on ? unmanly in the extreme.
>
> ? Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin the
> Boy Wonder? Come on.
>
> ? Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents should
> have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced into
> town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the rats
> danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe music,
> the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
>
> ? Peter Pan may be straight ? he seems to have a thing for Wendy ? but his
> relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern. The
> lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter Pan
> has not been sufficiently explored.
>
> ? There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious gender
> confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes over,
> sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible (read,
> female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
> little winged elephants.
>
> ? Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She mostly
> pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie, often
> calls her "Sir." Hmm.
>
> It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about eroding
> family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages our
> children ? and those of generations past ? imbibed with their bedtime
> bottles.
>
> If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> latimes.com/archives.
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> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:46:52 -0800
> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names
> To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <BE2A549C.1D4F9%michael at michaelbutler.com>
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>
> washingtonpost.com
> Naming U.N. Names
>
>
>
> Saturday, February 5, 2005; Page A18
>
> THE FIRST and most important point to make about the preliminary report on
> corruption in the United Nations' oil-for-food program is that it is not a
> whitewash. Despite dark hints that Paul A. Volcker, the former Federal
> Reserve chairman who led the investigation, was too chummy with the U.N.
> bosses, Thursday's report did name names. Most notably, it accused Benon
> Sevan of having received the rights to purchase millions of barrels of
> discounted oil from Iraqi officials while he was serving as the director of
> the oil-for-food program. Suspicions that Kofi Annan, the U.N. secretary
> general, would try to sweep the story under the carpet also have not proven
> correct. Mr. Annan has announced that he will pursue disciplinary
> proceedings against Mr. Sevan and other U.N. officials.
>
> The question now is what, if anything, these findings say about the United
> Nations itself. Congressional critics who see something unique or unusual in
> this report of U.N. corruption should look harder at the behavior of
> American, British and other companies in Iraq during that period: The vast
> majority of the oil smuggling had nothing to do with the United Nations and
> everything to do with the Western companies and governments that were
> benefiting, one way or another, from the Iraqi sanctions. More to the point,
> U.N. Security Council members, including the United States, turned a blind
> eye to allegations of corruption while it was going on, and they may have
> even used it to benefit U.S. allies in the region. Mr. Volcker has said that
> he has found more openness and willingness to share documents about these
> issues in the United Nations than in some corners of the U.S. government.
>
> It is also true, however, that the oil-for-food scandal should provide a
> lesson for those who continue to believe that the United Nations can or
> should play a larger political role than it does today. The U.N. serves many
> useful and necessary functions, including the coordination of international
> relief. Peacekeeping troops flying the U.N. flag can help monitor
> cease-fires in regions where there is a genuine peace to keep. But this is
> an organization that is severely limited in its capacity to manage complex
> financial and political programs, both by its necessarily politicized hiring
> practices and by its lack of funds. It is not an organization that can
> operate well in war zones such as Bosnia or Congo, or in deeply corrupt
> countries such as Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
>
> The U.N. oil-for-food report should not be used as yet another excuse for
> U.N.-bashing by citizens of countries whose governments behaved at least as
> badly in prewar Iraq. At the same time, it should force those in this
> country and around the world who believe that international organizations
> will soon take the place of nation-states to think twice.
>
> ? 2005 The Washington Post Company
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:21:27 -0500
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
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> i think peter pan is really a lesbian
> lol
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:40 PM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>
>
> latimes.com
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>
> February 5, 2005
>
> Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
> James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and his
> soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a homosexual
> cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming, role
> model for kids.
>
> Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the more
> a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long assumed
> were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something, and
> as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> examples:
>
> ? Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but who
> really buys those twin beds?
>
>
>
> ? Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George. No
> wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
>
> ? The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally carries
> on < unmanly in the extreme.
>
> ? Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin the
> Boy Wonder? Come on.
>
> ? Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents should
> have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced into
> town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the rats
> danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe music,
> the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
>
> ? Peter Pan may be straight < he seems to have a thing for Wendy < but his
> relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern. The
> lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter Pan
> has not been sufficiently explored.
>
> ? There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious gender
> confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes over,
> sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible (read,
> female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
> little winged elephants.
>
> ? Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She mostly
> pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie, often
> calls her "Sir." Hmm.
>
> It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about eroding
> family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages our
> children < and those of generations past < imbibed with their bedtime
> bottles.
>
> If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> latimes.com/archives.
> TMS Reprints
> Article licensing and reprint options
>
>
>
> Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
>
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> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:27 -0600
> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
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>
> Michael
>
> I totally agree with you about Dean, he got a "bad rap" during the election.
>
> Peace
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:57 AM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
>
>
>> I do hope he is made the Chairman of the DNC. He has proved the ability to
>> organize cross country/sex/ethnic lines which is so needed. He will
>> inspire
>> followers not as a candidate but as an organizer.
>> Michael
>>
>> The New York Times
>> February 5, 2005
>> OP-ED COLUMNIST
>> A Short History of Deanism
>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>
>> As you may recall, Ralph Kramden was a member of the Raccoon Lodge in "The
>> Honeymooners."
>>
>> Back in the 1950's, tens of millions of Americans were members of
>> fellowship
>> associations like the Elks Lodges, the Rotary Clubs and the Soroptimists.
>> These groups had lodges or chapters across the nation, where the affluent
>> and not so affluent, the educated and not so educated, would get together
>> once a week or so for schmoozing and community service.
>>
>> But as Prof. Theda Skocpol of Harvard has demonstrated, these fraternal
>> associations lost members in the 1960's. Instead, groups like NOW, Naral
>> and
>> the Heritage Foundation emerged as the important associations in American
>> life. But these groups were not like the old fellowship organizations.
>>
>> Many of these groups were formed to champion some specific cause. Instead
>> of
>> relying on a vast network of local chapters, they tend to organize their
>> work from central offices in New York or Washington, with a professional
>> staff. They raise money through direct mail appeals or by asking for
>> foundation grants.
>>
>> These new groups are dominated by experts - people who live within the
>> network of grant officers, activists and scholars. Being a member of one
>> of
>> these organizations doesn't generally involve going to a local lodge once
>> a
>> week and communing with your neighbors; it involves sending a check once a
>> year and reading a newsletter.
>>
>> Furthermore, as Skocpol observes in her book "Diminished Democracy," these
>> new organizations tend not to bring people together across class lines. In
>> 1980, at a time when about 15 percent of the electorate had a college
>> degree, roughly 80 percent of the members of the Sierra Club and Naral
>> were
>> college graduates.
>>
>> The decline of fraternal associations and the emergence of these
>> professionally run groups for the educated class diminished communal life.
>> The change also reshaped politics.
>>
>> Since the 1960's there has been a breakdown in the machinery that allowed
>> Americans to work together across class and other divisions. The educated
>> class has come to dominate, and the issues of interest to that class
>> overshadow issues of interest to the less educated and less well off.
>>
>> But the two major parties were affected unequally. The Republican
>> coalition
>> still contains some cross-class associations, like the N.R.A. and the
>> evangelical churches, which connect corporate elites to the middle
>> classes.
>> The Democratic coalition has fewer organizations like that. Its elite -
>> the
>> urban and university-town elite - has less contact with the less educated.
>>
>> Not coincidentally, Republicans have a much easier time putting together
>> electoral majorities.
>>
>> The story doesn't end there.
>>
>> Over the past two years, what we might loosely call the university-town
>> elite has come to dominate the Democratic Party not just intellectually,
>> but
>> financially as well.
>>
>> Howard Dean, in his fervent antiwar phase, mobilized new networks of small
>> donors, and these donors have quickly become the money base of the party.
>> Whereas Al Gore raised only about $50 million from individuals in 2000,
>> John
>> Kerry raised $225 million, including $87 million over the Internet alone.
>> Many of these new donors are highly educated. The biggest groups of donors
>> to the Dean and Kerry campaigns were employees of the University of
>> California, Harvard, Stanford, Time Warner, Microsoft and so on.
>>
>> They tend to be to the left of the country, especially on social and
>> security issues. They may not agree with Michael Moore on everything, but
>> many enjoyed "Fahrenheit 9/11." Perhaps they are among the hundreds of
>> thousands of daily visitors to Daily Kos and other blogs that savage
>> Democrats who violate party orthodoxy.
>>
>> Many Republicans are mystified as to why the Democrats, having lost
>> another
>> election, are about to name Howard Dean as party chairman and have allowed
>> Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy to emerge unchallenged as the loudest
>> foreign
>> policy voices.
>>
>> The answer, as Mickey Kaus observes in Slate, is that the party is
>> following
>> the money. The energy and the dough are in the MoveOn.org wing, which is
>> not
>> even a wing of the party, but the head and the wallet. Only the most
>> passionate and liberal voices can stir up this network of online donors
>> from
>> the educated class.
>>
>> Howard Dean may not be as liberal as he appeared in the primaries, but in
>> 1,001 ways - from his secularism to his stridency - he embodies the newly
>> dominant educated class, which is large, self-contained and assertive.
>>
>> Thanks to this newly dominant group, the Democrats are sure to carry
>> Berkeley for decades to come.
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500
> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <0a7a01c50bec$0965efb0$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> All:
>
> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or, indeed,
> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European descent.
> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he will
> betray his own people.
>
> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small comfort
> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>
> Peace.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>
>
>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>> I hate to think it might be true.
>> Michael
>>
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>
>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>
>>
>> bush is not the anti christ
>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>
>> War,
>> Forsaking the Poor,
>> Favoring the Rich,
>> Religious Intolerance,
>> Polluting Our Earth,
>> Bankrupting our Children,
>> Lies.
>> Bush
>> is the
>> Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:45:50 -0500
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <001a01c50bed$963c5c20$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of the
> scripture are of jewish descent
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>
>
>> All:
>>
>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> indeed,
>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European descent.
>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he will
>> betray his own people.
>>
>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
> comfort
>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>>
>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> War,
>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>> Lies.
>>> Bush
>>> is the
>>> Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
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>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:48:35 -0500
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
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>
> george bush and all the nixon crew are both of european and of jewish
> descent
> ?
> all christians are ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>
>
>> All:
>>
>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> indeed,
>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European descent.
>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he will
>> betray his own people.
>>
>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
> comfort
>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>>
>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> War,
>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>> Lies.
>>> Bush
>>> is the
>>> Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:06:07 -0500
> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <0aab01c50bf0$6bb77950$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Richard:
>
> I'm surprised at you. While Peter and his "group" preached to the Jews,
> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not of
> Jewish descent. In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are not of
> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or converted
> to Christianity.
>
> Peace.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>
>
>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of the
>> scripture are of jewish descent
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>> indeed,
>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> descent.
>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> will
>>> betray his own people.
>>>
>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>> comfort
>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>
>>> Peace.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> War,
>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>> Lies.
>>>> Bush
>>>> is the
>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>
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>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
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>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:12:04 -0500
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <007a01c50bf1$4056a050$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> peace yourself
> the european christians
> currently are all of jewish descent
> how could they not be?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>
>
>> Richard:
>>
>> I'm surprised at you. While Peter and his "group" preached to the Jews,
>> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not of
>> Jewish descent. In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are not
> of
>> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or converted
>> to Christianity.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
> the
>>> scripture are of jewish descent
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>>> indeed,
>>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
> the
>>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
>> descent.
>>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>> will
>>>> betray his own people.
>>>>
>>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>>> comfort
>>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>>
>>>> Peace.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>>
>>>>> _____
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>> War,
>>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>>> Lies.
>>>>> Bush
>>>>> is the
>>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>>
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>>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
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>>>>
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