[Mb-civic] Fwd: canadian rant

[Ivan Menchell]

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> From: JStockDl at aol.com
> Date: April 10, 2006 7:30:07 PM PDT
> To: ClarkCon at aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: canadian rant (from joe stockdale - long but worth it!)
>
>
> From: Nuts2cast at aol.com
> Date: April 10, 2006 5:32:36 AM PDT
> To: MLeeds1492 at aol.com, Mcmet17 at aol.com, ARNOLDJM at MINDSPRING.COM,  
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> Subject: canadian rant
>
>
> On the topic about an inevitable conflict with Iran:
>
> Speaking as a Canadian who is fond of judicious language, I feel  
> that this situation deserves careful and measured thought.  So let  
> me just open with:
>
> Is your entire f*cking country on crack???  Are all you Americans  
> out of your cotton picking minds???  Are you completely freaking  
> delusional?  Homicidal?  Psychotic?  Have you lost any shred of a  
> moral compass?  WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST ON A CRUTCH IS  
> WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!
>
> Let me offer up one small datum which may completely change the  
> equation for you:  According to the CIA (If they have any  
> credibility left.) Iran is at least five years away from a nuclear  
> weapon.
>
> Five years.
>
> Five years is time for diplomacy to accomplish a hell of a lot.
>
> I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various  
> other international bodies and other inspections have essentially  
> found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.
>
> The only actual evidence that Iran has anything close to nuclear  
> weapons technology is blueprints *that the CIA gave to them!*
>
> Have you all forgotten that the evidence on Iraq was spectacularly  
> wrong?  Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated?  Why  
> then are we going down the exact same road of stage managed,  
> fabricated pseudo-evidence and wild-ass hysteria?
>
> What is wrong with you people?
>
> This entire crisis has been manufactured, and has been years in the  
> making.
>
> Stop and think back five years.  What did we have five years ago?    
> A moderate reformist Iranian government making overtures to the  
> United States, rebuilding its relationship with Europe,  
> liberalizing its society, and modernizing its economy.
>
> 9/11 comes along, the Iranians are overflowing with sympathy.  Mass  
> candlelit vigils are held in Tehran.  Iran offers aid and cooperation.
>
> Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and  
> massacred Afghan Shiites.  Iran hates Saddam Hussein.  Iran hates  
> Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which  
> declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.
>
> Iran shares its intelligence with America - they even arrested  
> Taliban members and handed them over to US custody.
>
> So we've got the Iranian spring; things are finally going to sort out.
>
> And what happens?  The Bush administration rebuffs every Iranian  
> overture and does its best to instigate a cold war.  Afghanistan is  
> invaded, and suddenly, the Iranians are looking at American troops  
> and allies on their eastern border.  Then Iraq is invaded, and  
> American troops and allies on their western border.  Then bases and  
> treaties in Uzbekistan, and whoops, there's more American troops  
> and allies on the northern border.  The Persian Gulf is filled with  
> American warships and carrier fleets.
>
> Now the Iranians are surrounded.  And the tough talk is constant.   
> Iran is part of the 'Axis of Evil' and Americans tell each other  
> "Baghdad, humph, real men go to Tehran."  Essentially, America has  
> been threatening military action against Iran for the last five  
> years, and has surrounded the country on every side with troops,  
> bases and allies.
>
> American aircraft invade Iranian airspace regularly, American  
> special forces undertake operations inside Iran and Americans  
> regularly accuse Iranians of interference in Iraq.
>
> Dick Cheney pontificates about Israel bombing Iran *after he has  
> just handed over to Israel the long range bombers and bunker  
> busting bombs* required to do the job.
>
> Meanwhile, the United States undertakes economic warfare against  
> Iran, interfering with its business dealings with third party  
> countries, trying to scuttle a pipeline deal with India, and it  
> goes on and on.  The hysteria about the Iranians nuclear program is  
> just more of the same.
>
> Now how in God's Bloody Name do you think the Iranians are going to  
> respond to that.  Should they concede the nuclear program, abandon  
> their pipeline project?  If so, its not going to do them any good.   
> America will just seek more concessions.  Each surrender will be  
> met by new demands.  This isn't hard to figure out.  It's exactly  
> what Bush did with Iraq.
>
> Perhaps overtures, good will gestures, trying to act like a  
> peaceful nation.   Did all those things, doesn't matter.  The Bush  
> administration is still on a collision course.
>
> So, the Mullahs are concerned that they're faced with a homicidal  
> crazy state, the Iranian people are scared.  When people are scared  
> and faced with an aggressive warmongering power which keeps  
> threatening to attack them, continually trespasses on its borders  
> and is undertaking economic warfare... who the hell are they going  
> to elect?   Ahminajad may be a crazy bastard, but you assholes, you  
> utter assholes did every thing you could to elect him short of  
> donating 50,000 Diebold machines and mailing his party the trapdoor  
> codes.
>
> So, having pursued a psychotically aggressive course, you've backed  
> Iran into a corner, and engineered a regime which refuses to back  
> further.
>
> And *you* are the victims in all this?  *You* are the ones under  
> threat?   It's *self defense*????
>
> And of course, you goofily believe that you can just bomb or nuke  
> Iran with impunity?
>
> Holy Microeconomic Theory Batman!   Iran's nuclear facilities are  
> distributed across the country and in hardened sites near  
> population centers.  So any strike that cripples a significant  
> portion of Iran's nuclear capacity will inevitably be so large and  
> kill so many people that its going to be tantamount to inviting  
> full scale war.
>
> Think about that.  Iran is 70 million people, an area five times  
> the size of Iraq, not disemboweled by 12 years of sanctions and air  
> raids.  On the other side of the coin, America's ground army is  
> busted and tied down in Iraq.  There's no troops to throw at a  
> major Iranian military force, so you have to hope that bombing will  
> do the trick.   The occupation forces in Iraq are in occupation and  
> not territorial defense mode.  And Iraq is 65% Shiites who are  
> probably not going to be happy that you're blowing up their brother  
> Shiites.   Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz is so narrow that  
> sinking one supertanker will block it indefinitely, and Iran  
> borders the straight on three sides.  Block Hormuz and any naval  
> groups inside the Persian Gulf are trapped there.  Any naval groups  
> outside the Persian Gulf are trapped outside.  Forget about any oil  
> coming out of the Persian Gulf from Iraq, Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain,  
> Saudi Arabia or the UAE.  Think about what that does to the price  
> of oil, and to the world economy.  Think about what that does to  
> dependent countries like Japan, India, China and Europe.
>
> In short its so appallingly stupid and colossally risky, that I can  
> see why your idiots in charge might consider using nuclear  
> weapons.  But throw a few nukes around and see how the rest of the  
> world reacts?  Every dirt-wad country is going to be mortgaging the  
> Presidential palace to get its own nuclear deterrent from Pakistan  
> or North Korea.  How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the  
> Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb,  
> the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the  
> Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese  
> Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb.  You are no longer trustworthy.  
> North Korea, always borderline psychotic is going to be mondo  
> difficult to deal with.   You've just guaranteed yourself a full  
> fledged nuclear arms race, balls to the wall with both Russia and  
> China, and quite possibly Europe.
>
> And of course there's no guarantee that the rest of the world will  
> allow this.  Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians.   
> Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar  
> systems to the Iranians...  Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing  
> raid?  And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half  
> your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid  
> on civilian populations in a foreign country?  Cry? Send a harsh note?
>
> Launch a first strike?
>
> What happens if the Chinese decide to hold Taiwan and South Korea  
> hostage?  What do you do?  Back off Iran or sell out East Asia?
>
> Hell, in that kind of standoff, someone sneezes and its not going  
> to matter who launched a first strike.
>
> Or would you like an economic standoff, say with Europe, or with  
> Japan and China.  Suppose that the Europeans or Chinese decide  
> "screw the worldwide depression, you assholes are just too  
> dangerous to have around."  Trillions of dollars get dumped on the  
> market, loans get called in, the bottom drops out of your dollar,  
> its thousand per cent inflation and no manufacturing base and your  
> own trade embargoes.  So much for America.
>
> I mean, its morally wrong, its stupid on every level.  And yet here  
> you are discussing why maybe you should get out in front of the  
> Republicans on this, or planning your surrender to Bush.  Why are  
> you even discussing this?
>
> What is wrong with America?

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