[Mb-hair] diversity in hair
lilacamy11 at aol.com
lilacamy11 at aol.com
Thu Apr 14 13:52:58 PDT 2005
There may be enough black people on campus or wherever but maybe they're not interested in being in HAIR. Or maybe they're not talented enough to handle Hud. He never gave the impression he wanted an all-white cast.
You're totally misinterpreting this Richard.
- Amy
"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)
"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings
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1. Re: A Few Questions (joseph.simon at fandm.edu)
2. Hair in Africa (Little Birdie)
3. RE: Hair in Africa (fotoblue at flash.net)
4. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
5. Re: Hair in Africa (richard haase)
6. why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
(richard haase)
7. RE: Hair in Africa (Little Birdie)
8. Re: Hair in Africa (richard haase)
9. even godpsell punks with an all caucasian cast (richard haase)
10. RE: why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
(Little Birdie)
11. Re: why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
(richard haase)
12. Fw: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions (richard haase)
13. Re: A Few Questions (Barbara Siomos)
14. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
15. Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (Cara Robin)
16. Fw: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well (richard haase)
17. Re: Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (Michael Butler)
18. Re: HAiR in Bridgeport & San Diego & what's more important
~~~ cutting the nude scene (John Zuehlke)
19. Explanation and Thanks (joseph.simon at fandm.edu)
20. RE: Explanation and Thanks (Little Birdie)
21. RE: Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (ace)
22. Re: Some questions (lilacamy11 at aol.com)
23. Re: Explanation and Thanks (Michael Butler)
24. the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics list...
(fotoblue at flash.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:31:09 -0400
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Yeah. I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus
here who would be more than happy to play the role. I was just
looking at what else has been done that's all. thanks for all your
help!
>import some joe
>but honestly if thats touchy
>bringing in black people
>why would you want to do hair?
>an all white hair?
>kind of an oxy moron
>anyway good luck joe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
>To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
>> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
>> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
>> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
>> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>>
>>
>> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>> >
>> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
>> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
>> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
>> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
>> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
>> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
>> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
>> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
>> >Colored Spade.
>> >
>> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
>> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
>> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
>> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
>> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
>> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
>> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
>> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
>> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>> >seen it done.
>> >
>> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
>> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
>> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
>> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
>> >mounting a production of Hair.
>> >
>> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
>> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
>> >problem, or in the show in general?
>> >
>> >Nina
>> >The Hair Archives
>> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Joseph Simon
>>
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>> -Shakespeare
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned production
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information. I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.
We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa. We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
... Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!
Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease. Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night. Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.
I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price. We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.
I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording. The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.
Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June. Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production. Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.
OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS. Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!
Best regards,
David
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:54 -0400
From: "fotoblue at flash.net" <fotoblue at flash.net>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <315890-220054313215754723 at M2W095.mail2web.com>
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AMAZING!
is this a mixed cast, or all black??
Dagmar
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie at hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information. I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.
We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa. We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
... Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!
Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease. Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night. Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.
I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price. We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.
I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording. The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.
Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June. Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production. Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.
OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS. Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!
Best regards,
David
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:05:17 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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i dont quite understand were youre coming from joe
basically you have the lead roles; there are 10 or so etc
then you have the tribe
you can to some extent condense the tribe
having a smaller number of tribe members do the tribal parts
or where logical having some of the main players etc
do tribe lines etc
i dont remember exactly but i did a major production of the show in nyc at
meryl streeps brothers place
in 80 - 81
with a cast of 15ish
you can certainly condense the cast
but
to take out the black people would make the thing suck
really
----- Original Message -----
From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yeah. I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus
> here who would be more than happy to play the role. I was just
> looking at what else has been done that's all. thanks for all your
> help!
>
> >import some joe
> >but honestly if thats touchy
> >bringing in black people
> >why would you want to do hair?
> >an all white hair?
> >kind of an oxy moron
> >anyway good luck joe
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
> >To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> >> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
> >> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> >> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> >> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >> >
> >> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >> >Colored Spade.
> >> >
> >> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >> >seen it done.
> >> >
> >> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >> >
> >> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >> >
> >> >Nina
> >> >The Hair Archives
> >> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >> >Mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joseph Simon
> >>
> >> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> >> -Shakespeare
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-hair mailing list
> >> Mb-hair at islandlists.com
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>
> --
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:06:39 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: <fotoblue at flash.net>, <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <003501c54075$118ea700$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
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you could do hair with an all or probably nearly all black cast
but not an all white one
i would think
eg ben vereen was a spectacular berger etc
----- Original Message -----
From: <fotoblue at flash.net>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
AMAZING!
is this a mixed cast, or all black??
Dagmar
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie at hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information. I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.
We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa. We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
... Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!
Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease. Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night. Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.
I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price. We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.
I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording. The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.
Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June. Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production. Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.
OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS. Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!
Best regards,
David
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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are you doing an aryan hair?
lol and not lol
a little worried where youre coming from joe
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:08:10 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: fotoblue at flash.net, mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Dagmar wrote:
>AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??
No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after
our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep you
posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:10 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <001601c54075$6b242790$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
an all caucasian cast?
yech
----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
To: <fotoblue at flash.net>; <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
> Dagmar wrote:
>
> >AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??
>
> No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after
> our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep
you
> posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:46 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] even godpsell punks with an all caucasian cast
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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and godspell is hair ultra light
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:02:37 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people
joe?
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Richard,
Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production.
He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of
talent available for their production.
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
>
>are you doing an aryan hair?
>lol and not lol
>a little worried where youre coming from joe
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:11:49 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people
joe?
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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i just think its odd
thats all
joe said there were plenty of black people on campus
why not use them?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
> Richard,
>
> Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production.
> He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of
> talent available for their production.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
> >
> >are you doing an aryan hair?
> >lol and not lol
> >a little worried where youre coming from joe
> >_______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:38:23 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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respectfully im not crazy
now look below
tell me where im misinterpreting
if he has enough people of color for a good tribe
i dont get the discrepancy visa vi the african american influence that his
group lacks and casting
why cant he use them then?
what is the issue then?
i dont quite get this
----- Original Message -----
From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> --
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:01:52 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV208A482A8369B1600BAE91AB350 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain
Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten this
guy away which I think you are doing.
peace,
barbara
-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> --
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:17:23 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c540a8$dbe24650$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
i am doing of the kind
i am having a discourse
okay; lets suppose youre right
i dont understand
please explain to me where im in error
i have a different understanding of the passage previously forwarded
tell me where i am in error
explain it to me please
?
i still dont get it
( that doesnt make me bad or hostile )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38 at msn.com>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten
this guy away which I think you are doing.
peace,
barbara
-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> --
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair at islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:04:54 -0700
From: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY103-F15D07AECB3649C31E1AEB6B4350 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I
hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
(which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and
Paris "Hair" Productions!! Wow.
Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends,
and to also turn her onto this list.
Ditto Corinne!
Love, Cara
From: "Leo" <peacefreak at metrocast.net>
Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW,
just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School
Thespians.
PEACE,
Leo
>From: venuetheatre at juno.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
>Hello all
>
>So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>Julliard), and lo and behold HER DADDY IS .............
>
>JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>
>Is that a hoot or what? I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>if anyone has been looking for him.
>
>God I love this business.
>
>Corinne
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:51:08 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fw: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <005401c540cf$19bb9960$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
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----- Original Message -----
From: richard haase
To: mb-civic at islandemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:57 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:22:25 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
To: HAIR List <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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What is her name?
XO Michael
> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I
> hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
> (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
> Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
> reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and
> Paris "Hair" Productions!! Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends,
> and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
>
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak at metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
>
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW,
> just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School
> Thespians.
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
>
>> From: venuetheatre at juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>> Julliard), and lo and behold HER DADDY IS .............
>>
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>>
>> Is that a hoot or what? I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>> if anyone has been looking for him.
>>
>> God I love this business.
>>
>> Corinne
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:14:32 -0700
From: "John Zuehlke" <jpzuehlke at prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Bridgeport & San Diego & what's more
important ~~~ cutting the nude scene
To: <Mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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>From the glowing reviews of Debbie Andrews, Michael Butler, Jonathon Johnson,
and "little birdie" it sounds like Hebe and I missed two excellent productions
of HAiR. Too bad the San Diego run was so short - had it been longer, we might
have been able to get down there.
----------
Debbie Andrews related her experience in doing the nude scene thirty years ago
in comparison with the present Bridgeport production by saying: "... was it
always that dark when we did it?" Since all of the productions of HAiR that I
have seen were mounted in California, I cannot comment on the two aforementioned
shows, but, in general, I feel that the way the scene is performed has changed
over the years.
IMHO, modern productions seem to have longer, freer, and more brightly lit nude
scenes than the shows of the seventies. I recall feeling that the nude scene in
the Los Angeles (Aquarius Theater) production was reasonably lighted but
performed so quickly and furtively that it appeared that the cast was almost
ashamed to perform it. The production in San Francisco, however, though
similarly short, seemed much freer and much more fun. I believe that Michael
Butler expressed a somewhat similar perception in his review of the Bridgeport
HAiR: "I agree that the nude was too dark. ... its darkness made a negative
feeling."
Current productions, when they choose to do a nude scene, seem much more free.
In the best productions (IMHO) the cast appears proud and defiant, and sends an
in-your-face message.
As a side note that may not have any relevance to the nude scene in HAiR, I
remember a local college production of "Equus." The nude scene was performed on
a very dimly lit stage, and lights were aimed to shine into the audience. The
poor actors had to perform with the audience clearly visible to them. They could
see the audience fidgeting, craning their necks, and holding their hands up in a
vain attempt to see the actors on stage, while all the audience could see of the
actors were dim shadows!
------------
Jonathon Johnson wrote: "Hair at UCSD in San Diego was fantastic! ... Nothing
was cut! Not even the nude scene! In fact, they slipped nakedness into a few
other surprise places!" I would really love to hear what additional uses were
made of nudity. Nina mentioned two places where nudity has been used in HAiR:
"Of the productions that keep it in, most place it where it was on Broadway (at
the end of Where Do I Go?) but some move it, often to Walking in Space." I have
always felt that nudity would be very natural and beneficial to the "Walking in
Space" scene, but, unfortunately, none of the many California productions that I
have seen have done it this way.
Personally, I have been somewhat bothered with the nudity coming at the end of
"Where Do I Go?" I would like to see nudity during the "Be In" at the park where
the kids are joyously dancing and celebrating and generally "scaring some
tourists." It would send a strong, anarchistic, "up the establishment" message
that culminates in the burning of their draft cards. When Claude is unable to
burn his card, and thereby break with the conservative establishment, the party
mood crashes into the very solemn and plaintive "Where Do I Go?" The tribe
getting nude here has always struck me as out-of-place, and possibly a
gratuitous way of ending the first act with a controversial "punch".
A question about the San Diego production for Jonathon (or anyone else who saw
it): If nudity was used at the end of "Where Do I Go?", did Claude participate
in it? Hebe and I have enjoyed those productions where he does participate in
the tribe's nudity because it shows that he is still a part of the tribe as well
as simultaneously emphasizing his child-like vulnerability. This makes his
inability to drop out by burning his draft card even more poignant when he sings
"Where Do I Go?"
Another place nudity is often used is in the "flash" at the end of the Tourist
Couple (Margaret Mead) scene. I would love to see "her" flash followed by one
from a woman playing Hubert!
One production we saw had a naked "Aquarius" who "morphed" into Claude when he
is summoned by the tribe's chant of "Aquarius, Aquarius." This would have been a
neat effect except for the fact that the girl who played Aquarius did not have a
pitcher or some other item to identify her. It took three performances before I
was certain of the director's intent in using the effect!
Finally, has anyone seen nudity used in "The Bed"? It would be a natural there,
and it could help to clarify the fact that Claude and Sheila are going to have
sex - a fact that is often obscured by the joyous singing and dancing of the
tribe.
------------
When Nina wrote "I can't recall if any of the minors on Broadway (WMH, Janet
Powell, Debbie Andrews) did the nude scene or not" Debbie Andrews replied
"Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the nude scene
(swear to God, I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was a cop., barely 16.....)
pretty funny?" In the current political climate, I cannot imagine that any
production would even dare allow a minor to do a nude scene!
--------------
Richard Haase wrote: "horrors
for me hair without the nude scene is like non alcoholic
champagne"
This observation is very true. HAiR was the first Broadway musical to feature
nudity, and, with only a few exceptions (like "Stephen Sondheim's Passion"), it
still holds that distinction. (Although nudity, presented in a far more sexual
context, was used in many productions of Richard Straus' 1905 opera "Salome".)
For better or for worse, HAiR is known for its "nude scene," and, I believe,
audiences feel cheated when it is omitted. In essence, the nudity has become so
de rigueur that it is in danger of becoming gratuitous. Ironically, the solution
to this problem may be the inclusion of more, contextually correct nudity rather
than its reduction! So, I heartily commend Richard when he said: "next
production of it i do im going to kick the nude scene up a notch in fact".
After all, isn't that what HAiR is all about?
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Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!
John
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:05:55 -0400
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of
support and encouragement. I have to defend my proposal for HAIR
this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not
it is the show that we will do next year.
Richard,
Let me try and clear this up for you. There are african american
people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough. They, however, have
not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was
asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who
I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to
do. I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets
away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts
school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly
diversified. I hope that clears the situation up for you.
Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
-Joe
--
Joseph Simon
"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
-Shakespeare
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:14:24 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Dear Joe,
Good luck with the board. Please let us know what they decide. If they say
yes, this list can be a great resource to brainstorm ideas on your
production. Hope we will hear more from you.
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu
>Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:05:55 -0400
>
>Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of support
>and encouragement. I have to defend my proposal for HAIR this sunday and
>the executive board will decide then whether or not it is the show that we
>will do next year.
>
>Richard,
>Let me try and clear this up for you. There are african american people on
>campus, not a whole lot, but enough. They, however, have not traditionally
>been a large part of the theater groups. I was asking my questions to see
>what other options there were based on who I knew I had, as opposed to what
>kinds of recruiting I would have to do. I would never put on an all white
>HAIR, I to think that gets away from the message of the show, but this is a
>small liberal arts school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be
>overwhelmingly diversified. I hope that clears the situation up for you.
>
>Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
>
>-Joe
>--
>Joseph Simon
>
>"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:25:45 -0700
From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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Cara...which trader joes? Love that place:)
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[mailto:mb-hair-bounces at islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:22 AM
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
What is her name?
XO Michael
> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress
> whom I hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre"
> in Paris, (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin
> who was in Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were
> talking and reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the
> San Francisco and Paris "Hair" Productions!! Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal
> friends, and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
>
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak at metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
>
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all.
> BTW, just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State
> High School Thespians.
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
>
>> From: venuetheatre at juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians,
>> and I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>> Julliard), and lo and behold HER DADDY IS .............
>>
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>>
>> Is that a hoot or what? I am sending him the links, and have his
>> e-mail if anyone has been looking for him.
>>
>> God I love this business.
>>
>> Corinne
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:31:56 -0400
From: lilacamy11 at aol.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Some questions
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I believe some companies
>> have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>> time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>> with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>> it done.
When I was in HAIR, we didn't have a black male. Instead of gender switching we
played it as a white man who was very sympathetic to the black cause and related
to blacks. It went well... not perfect, and we had to change a few things around
and cut some things, but it went ok....
- Amy
"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)
"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings
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3. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:44:22 -0400
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
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Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>
>It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
>that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
>work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
>larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
>equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
>as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
>each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
>they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
>Colored Spade.
>
>Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
>while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
>switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
>Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
>man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
>uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
>this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
>that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
>this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen it done.
>
>There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
>open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
>community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
>encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
>mounting a production of Hair.
>
>I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
>speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
>problem, or in the show in general?
>
>Nina
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:11:18 -0400
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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There are plenty of black people in PA, yes. But, I'm doing a
student run production. So, I'm talking specifically about the
student body on my campus. Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier,
so that's where the casting gets tricky.
>joe there are plenty of black people in PA
>also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>> Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>
>> It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>amount
>> of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
>only
>> a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
>> strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs
>and
>> lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's
>> messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black
>> man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice
>> together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the
>> song Colored Spade.
>>
>> Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>specifically
>> to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are
>not
>> specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud.
>> Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
>> played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black.
>> Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies
>> have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>> time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>> with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>> it done.
>>
>> There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
>> auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
>> because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to
>> try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
>Hair.
>>
>> I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak
>of
>> vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the
>show
>> in general?
>>
>> Nina
>> The Hair Archives
>> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:34:47 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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joe with most colleges though
if the vast majority of the production is student body
they will let you bring in people a few etc
its par for the course
and there arent many opportunities
you will even get people to come in for a student production
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From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> There are plenty of black people in PA, yes. But, I'm doing a
> student run production. So, I'm talking specifically about the
> student body on my campus. Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier,
> so that's where the casting gets tricky.
>
>
> >joe there are plenty of black people in PA
> >also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >> Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>
> >> It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount
> >> of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
> >only
> >> a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
> >> strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are
songs
> >and
> >> lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of
Hair's
> >> messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a
black
> >> man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go
nice
> >> together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention
the
> >> song Colored Spade.
> >>
> >> Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically
> >> to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others
are
> >not
> >> specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of
Hud.
> >> Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
> >> played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely
black.
> >> Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some
companies
> >> have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a
hard
> >> time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have
struggled
> >> with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never
having
> >seen
> >> it done.
> >>
> >> There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
> >> auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
> >> because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you
to
> >> try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
> >Hair.
> >>
> >> I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
speak
> >of
> >> vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in
the
> >show
> >> in general?
> >>
> >> Nina
> >> The Hair Archives
> >> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>
> >>
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:35:57 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
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From: <joseph.simon at fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions. My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:46:57 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
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Joe,
Great and good luck on Sunday.
Do let us know what happens.
We are here to help.
Michael, et al
-- Never doubt that a group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only
thing that ever has. Margaret Mead
> Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of
> support and encouragement. I have to defend my proposal for HAIR
> this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not
> it is the show that we will do next year.
>
> Richard,
> Let me try and clear this up for you. There are african american
> people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough. They, however, have
> not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was
> asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who
> I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to
> do. I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets
> away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts
> school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly
> diversified. I hope that clears the situation up for you.
>
> Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
>
> -Joe
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:50:41 -0400
From: "fotoblue at flash.net" <fotoblue at flash.net>
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics
list...
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Hi Michael,
thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
list
Hugs
Dagmar
pretty dismal, isn't it?
The President Clears It All Up.
Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.
This is the record verbatim:
Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
[Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"
President Bush:
"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get
what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has
been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
will
rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform
that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words,
how
fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
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