[Mb-hair] Re: Corinne
Russell Carlson
redwing at infinet.com
Mon Jun 20 12:00:23 PDT 2005
Corinne:
Wow, it is nice to see you on the list here. Been a few years for sure.
Heard you have your own theatre in St. Pete. That is cool. I am in
Columbus , Ohio working for a large production house doing lighting for
corporate events all over the place. i have a good time, but I'd love
to have my own theatre. Let me know how you are doing. I think I am
changing my main email location. New one is redwing2 at net.
Peace, Love, Groovy Good Vibes,
Rusty Carlson
( LA stage Manager)
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> From: venuetheatre at juno.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
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> Ohmygosh! Lyle! Hello! It is Corinne, how are you?
> Have you seen Sherman? He is back in Hawaii!
> Love
>
>
> PS Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
>
> Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside
the
> list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications,
and
> somehow I miss stuff.
>
> Where is Sharmagne?
>
> Corinne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Two Top Guns Shoot Blanks
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/opinion/19rich.html?
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> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
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> Sharmagne last heard from in UK
> I think going to Washington
> XO M
>
> > Ohmygosh! Lyle! Hello! It is Corinne, how are you?
> > Have you seen Sherman? He is back in Hawaii!
> > Love
> >
> >
> > PS Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
> >
> > Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside
the
> > list, I have trouble following the threads with all the
duplications, and
> > somehow I miss stuff.
> >
> > Where is Sharmagne?
> >
> > Corinne
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:25:47 GMT
> From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
> To: Leo <peacefreak at metrocast.net>, mb-hair at islandlists.com
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> Leo..... I agree... :-)
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> peqace,
> barbara
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:40:00 GMT
> From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
> To: venuetheatre at juno.com, mb-hair at islandlists.com
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> Corinne...
>
> As far as I know Sharmagne is doing her Native American thing...
which are good deeds.
>
> peace,
> barbara
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> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
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> Ohmygosh! Lyle! Hello! It is Corinne, how are you?
> Have you seen Sherman? He is back in Hawaii!
> Love
>
>
> PS Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
>
> Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside
the
> list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications,
and
> somehow I miss stuff.
>
> Where is Sharmagne?
>
> Corinne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:37:45 -0700
> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By
> Thomas Wagner The Associated Press
> To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>, HAIR List
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> Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
> By Thomas Wagner
> The Associated Press
>
> Saturday 18 June 2005
>
> When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser
dined with
> Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national
security
> adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She
wanted to
> talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-led
> invasion more than a year later.
>
> President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials
worried the
> White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret
> Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
> Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.
>
> In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director
Peter
> Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
> compelling military reason for war.
>
> "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is
so far
> frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime
change'
> does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
>
> The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's
> alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was
determined to
> go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a
> pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
>
> "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam
Hussein's
> WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a
typed
> copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated
Press and
> written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
>
> "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show
much
> advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or
> biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but
have
> not, as far as we know, been stepped up."
>
> Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one
of the
> secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
> invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which
critics
> say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.
>
> The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were
first
> obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about
them in
> The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
>
> Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had
obtained
> the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and
destroying
> the originals.
>
> The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
> circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies
said
> their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity
because
> of the secret nature of the material.
>
> The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
> government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months before
the
> war was illegal under international law. That report, also by Smith,
noted
> that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
> frequently.
>
> The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the
International
> Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view
that
> aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by
Saddam's
> forces.
>
> Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a
future
> invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were acting
> without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.
>
> The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range from
> 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in Iraq,
to
> brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a private
> meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.
>
> Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College,
University
> of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion
investigations
> have found.
>
> "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already
have,
> that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin
intelligence
> and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity,"
Dodge said.
> "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship
between
> the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he was
> taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
> questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."
>
> Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
> instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis,
Shiites and
> Kurds once Saddam was defeated.
>
> The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11
happened,
> the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.
>
> Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout
2002.
>
> On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of
evil."
> U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war
with Iraq
> was possible.
>
> On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war
> against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
> presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to the
U.N.
> Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.
>
> Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD
claims
> about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending the
> conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in
Iraq.
> Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.
>
> Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the
news in
> Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to power.
In the
> United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
> firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.
>
> It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign policy
> adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he
had just
> had with Rice in Washington.
>
> "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's now
> British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's secretary
of
> state.
>
> "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support and
has
> registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge
in
> your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a
Parliament
> and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the
States.
> And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued
regime
> change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result.
Failure
> was not an option."
>
> Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed."
But he
> also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
> difficulties and political risks.
>
> Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on
April 8,
> and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of
perspective.
> But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your
views on
> Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still
> smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq
policy."
>
> A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July
23
> meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of
action
> outweigh the risks."
>
> "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the military
> action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq
could lead
> to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made
clear,
> the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."
>
> The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
> disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to
define
> more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be
created, in
> particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's
regime and
> the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a
successor."
>
> In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director
Ricketts to
> Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
> parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be convincing
that:
> the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops
to die
> for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
> proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability
(including
> Iran)."
>
> Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an
intelligence
> dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch
chemical or
> biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.
>
> On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a
tough
> time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike
against
> Iraq was legal under international law.
>
> "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S.
would
> now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In
addition,
> there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin
Laden)
> and al-Qaida."
>
> He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have also
to
> answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There seems
to be a
> larger hole in this than on anything."
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:46:53 -0400
> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By
> ThomasWagner The Associated Press
> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c57531$8d6b6480$8a03ca44 at CowBox>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Michael
>
> Are we really thinking about people "fretting" over the war, what a
fuckin'
> joke that is.
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:37 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By
ThomasWagner
> The Associated Press
>
>
> > Go to Original
> >
> > Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
> > By Thomas Wagner
> > The Associated Press
> >
> > Saturday 18 June 2005
> >
> > When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser
dined
> > with
> > Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national
> > security
> > adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She
wanted to
> > talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-
led
> > invasion more than a year later.
> >
> > President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials
worried
> > the
> > White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked
secret
> > Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
> > Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.
> >
> > In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director
Peter
> > Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
> > compelling military reason for war.
> >
> > "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida
is so
> > far
> > frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime
> > change'
> > does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
> >
> > The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about
Saddam's
> > alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was
determined
> > to
> > go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought
a
> > pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
> >
> > "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam
Hussein's
> > WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a
typed
> > copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated
Press
> > and
> > written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
> >
> > "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show
much
> > advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical
or
> > biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but
have
> > not, as far as we know, been stepped up."
> >
> > Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one
of the
> > secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
> > invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which
> > critics
> > say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.
> >
> > The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were
first
> > obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about
them in
> > The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
> >
> > Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had
obtained
> > the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and
destroying
> > the originals.
> >
> > The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
> > circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the
copies said
> > their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity
> > because
> > of the secret nature of the material.
> >
> > The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
> > government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months
before the
> > war was illegal under international law. That report, also by
Smith, noted
> > that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
> > frequently.
> >
> > The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the
International
> > Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view
that
> > aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by
Saddam's
> > forces.
> >
> > Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a
future
> > invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were
acting
> > without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.
> >
> > The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range
from
> > 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in
Iraq, to
> > brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a
private
> > meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.
> >
> > Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College,
> > University
> > of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion
investigations
> > have found.
> >
> > "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already
have,
> > that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin
> > intelligence
> > and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity,"
Dodge
> > said.
> > "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship
> > between
> > the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he
was
> > taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
> > questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."
> >
> > Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
> > instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis,
Shiites
> > and
> > Kurds once Saddam was defeated.
> >
> > The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11
happened,
> > the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.
> >
> > Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout
2002.
> >
> > On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of
evil."
> > U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war
with
> > Iraq
> > was possible.
> >
> > On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to
war
> > against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L.
Powell
> > presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to
the U.N.
> > Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.
> >
> > Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD
claims
> > about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending
the
> > conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in
Iraq.
> > Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.
> >
> > Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the
news
> > in
> > Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to
power. In
> > the
> > United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
> > firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.
> >
> > It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign
policy
> > adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he
had
> > just
> > had with Rice in Washington.
> >
> > "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's
now
> > British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's
secretary of
> > state.
> >
> > "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support
and has
> > registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not
budge in
> > your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a
Parliament
> > and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the
States.
> > And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we
pursued
> > regime
> > change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result.
> > Failure
> > was not an option."
> >
> > Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is
undimmed." But
> > he
> > also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
> > difficulties and political risks.
> >
> > Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on
April
> > 8,
> > and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of
> > perspective.
> > But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your
views on
> > Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is
still
> > smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq
policy."
> >
> > A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July
23
> > meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of
action
> > outweigh the risks."
> >
> > "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the
military
> > action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq
could
> > lead
> > to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made
> > clear,
> > the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."
> >
> > The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
> > disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to
define
> > more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be
created,
> > in
> > particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's
regime
> > and
> > the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a
successor."
> >
> > In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director
Ricketts to
> > Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
> > parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be
convincing
> > that:
> > the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our
troops to
> > die
> > for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
> > proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability
(including
> > Iran)."
> >
> > Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an
intelligence
> > dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch
chemical or
> > biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.
> >
> > On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a
tough
> > time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike
> > against
> > Iraq was legal under international law.
> >
> > "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S.
would
> > now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In
> > addition,
> > there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin
> > Laden)
> > and al-Qaida."
> >
> > He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have
also to
> > answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There
seems to be
> > a
> > larger hole in this than on anything."
> >
> >
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