[Mb-hair] RE: Hair We are Again-Bald-DisinHAIRited!

Tue Nov 15 12:58:33 PST 2005

Love your comic relief Vinnie and Richard. Alright tribe, you all have
good points, and Michael is right. A new musical.
 I have it, at least the total concept, treatment, location scouting,
everything but the dialogue. It's called "Coming To". It could be
entitled Tribes, but I'd be afraid of the prejudices of separation of
one humanity into parts. The concept is based around an
singer-songwriter trying to make his last ditch attempt for expression,
up against the law. In two court cases, one where he is finally paid his
royalties in the UK and the other, in the US, where they are ordered
taken away from him. He arrives in the US to 9/11, having traveled to LA
the day before. In an effort to escape the consequences of having
everything taken from him and eventually being unable to afford to make
music anymore, he drives in his old Honda, ladened with keyboard and the
few things he has left, up the coast. He finds himself that night, alone
on a beach in N. California, his past behind him, and witnessing a
storm, the waves lashing, the white foam of the surf barely lit under a
cloudy, raging moon. In this transition through change, he drives across
the border to Canada, with all the cash strapped in a money belt.
Stopped at the border with all the cash, the customs agent finds his
zig-zags and asks him if he brought any smoking substance with him, not
knowing there was some in his cereal box! Of course he says no, to which
the customs guy said "Good, cause we grow the best stuff here". Based on
a true story, he takes the ferry to the heart of an ecological
sanctuary, Vancouver Island, where he meets up with a tribe of post 9/11
drop-outs of musicians, hippies, artists, extreme sportsmen, and a bunch
of older hippies who survive by cleaning the hostel where they all
stay(some of the old cast!). Each night when they are all asleep, they
awaken in their dreams, in a theatre where he writes them into an Astral
musical, and they rehearse the songs. Each day they are unaware of what
has happened, as out of the blue he gets a new idea for a song that he
has really written the night before, in his dreams. A bond between them
all begins to develop until they eventually realize what is happening.
The story progresses to understand their search for their reasons to be
alive at this time. The stories of post 9/11 echo in their decision to
escape their pasts to get perspective on what is happening to the World
now. 
Anyway, things get quite dramatic after he returns to LA, to the stark
contrast in idealism between the Island and LA, where he is eventually
arrested. Yet the conclusion is that those who trust their human nature
will eventually rise above the chaos of prevailing dysfunction and
disorder. The idea could be staged, but also would make a good lower
budget movie, as part of the filming would be in Canada. Anyway it's
just one idea I registered at the copyright office! The theme song is on
"Not for Robots", along with a few others that I put on the cd. Peter
Guber of Flashdance and Tommy fame seemed to like it, but I've been
waiting to contact him again, with a little more ammunition for the
cause, such as another well known musical producer and possibly another
well known musical writer!
Here's hoping we all find ourselves in that Astral theatre, Coming To!

Paul 
http://PaulKorda.com   

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   3. the senior citizen idea rado was very much in favor of 
      (richard haase)
   4. senior center  (Vincent Edwards)
   5. Re: senior center (richard haase)
   6. Re: senior center (Little Birdie)
   7. Re: senior center (richard haase)
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   9. Re: Weed and such (tiogajoe at juno.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:54:56 -0800
From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev at beverlybremers.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <20051114195456.97B062F94C at ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
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Tribe - It's all very nice that you want to perform HAIR again and I
would too, but you've got to realize that without the permission of the
authors, your hands are tied. The only way the songs could be performd
live would be in a revue or club act, but if you have any book at all,
you've infringed on the author's copyrights and if you change the
lyrics, the parody law kicks in and you have to get permission. Put
yourself in Jim and Galt's shoes. Would you want someone tampering with
your material without your input and control? As much as we all think
HAIR belongs to all of us, it doesn't. Only it's spirit is ours.

Sorry, guys, but Michael knows what he's talking about. I'm afraid you
have to move on. Write a new HAIR (HAIRLESS?)

Beverly

----- Original Message -----
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:03:37 -0500

> 
> he has though nina a little leeway by way of precedent
> eg corresonding to the notion of " the law as usually enforced " eg if

> the songs were used before in different contexts particularly 
> repeatedly and nothing was done that might be construed as a tacit 
> permission of course we were working with jimmy gerry galt on 
> everything it cant be too radically different obviously
> its very tangled
> and nina brings up a particularly good pt\
> about authors rights not being inclusive of all performance rights
> yet both as of a given moment depending on circumstance
> have to be satisfied
> thats why michael butler advises me to stick to new projects instead
of
> revivals
> 
> as an experienced producer though
> the way to circumvent if youre lucky
> is to get the rights for a city such as san francisco detroit atlanta 
> etc large scale 1000+ venue non conventional location ( rented hall ; 
> old ballroom or whatver ) big enough to call in major media\
> small enough not to set flags off
> if you then have the penultimate production and its covered by major
media
> they will have to do business with you veritably
> because yours will be the production everyone wants
> eg this is what happened visa vi glenn close in the los angeles
production
> of sunset blvd
> when patti lupone was all ready signed for nyc
> glenn got hot and it didnt matter
> they had to pay  patti off etc
> 
> similarly one who gets a hot production of hair covered by major media

> in second city would be in drivers seat as opposed to frankel et al
> arguably
> very tudor stewart political etc\
> 
> ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
> 
> 
> > You are correct Bil. To use songs from Hair in a new context you 
> > would
> need
> > the permission of the authors and the performance rights holders. 
> > You are also correct that one doesn't always need permission to 
> > record a song, but that law does not cover the use of the songs in a

> > running performance
> piece,
> > but only on a recording.
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives 
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Wm-A Gonzalez" <bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu>
> >
> > >
> > >Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that 
> > >this
> holds
> > >true (in the US) for musical material for which someone (TAMS) 
> > >already
> owns
> > >the theatrical performance rights.  In fact, I believe that 
> > >specific
> rights
> > >need to be acquired to incorporate any copyrighted material into a 
> > >new
> work
> > >which will lead to financial gain.  My understanding is that you do

> > >not need permission to record a published song, but you do still 
> > >need to pay the related royalties, and acknowledge existing 
> > >copyrights.
> > >
> > >-Bil Gonzalez
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:58 -0500
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <008201c5e957$ceea3810$f1476c42 at hotprojects>
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do you know bev\
i was once approached in all seriousness by universal to write " BALD "
LOL i was in my 20s a hair freak and horrified

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev at beverlybremers.com>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again

> Tribe - It's all very nice that you want to perform HAIR again and I 
> would
too, but you've got to realize that without the permission of the
authors, your hands are tied. The only way the songs could be performd
live would be in a revue or club act, but if you have any book at all,
you've infringed on the author's copyrights and if you change the
lyrics, the parody law kicks in and you have to get permission. Put
yourself in Jim and Galt's shoes. Would you want someone tampering with
your material without your input and control? As much as we all think
HAIR belongs to all of us, it doesn't. Only it's spirit is ours.
>
> Sorry, guys, but Michael knows what he's talking about. I'm afraid you
have to move on. Write a new HAIR (HAIRLESS?)
>
> Beverly
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:03:37 -0500
>
> >
> > he has though nina a little leeway by way of precedent
> > eg corresonding to the notion of " the law as usually enforced " eg 
> > if the songs were used before in different contexts particularly 
> > repeatedly and nothing was done that might be construed as a tacit 
> > permission of course we were working with jimmy gerry galt on 
> > everything it cant be too radically different obviously
> > its very tangled
> > and nina brings up a particularly good pt\
> > about authors rights not being inclusive of all performance rights
> > yet both as of a given moment depending on circumstance
> > have to be satisfied
> > thats why michael butler advises me to stick to new projects instead
of
> > revivals
> >
> > as an experienced producer though
> > the way to circumvent if youre lucky
> > is to get the rights for a city such as san francisco detroit 
> > atlanta
etc
> > large scale 1000+ venue non conventional location ( rented hall ; 
> > old ballroom or whatver ) big enough to call in major media\
> > small enough not to set flags off
> > if you then have the penultimate production and its covered by major
media
> > they will have to do business with you veritably
> > because yours will be the production everyone wants
> > eg this is what happened visa vi glenn close in the los angeles
production
> > of sunset blvd
> > when patti lupone was all ready signed for nyc
> > glenn got hot and it didnt matter
> > they had to pay  patti off etc
> >
> > similarly one who gets a hot production of hair covered by major 
> > media
in
> > second city
> > would be in drivers seat as opposed to frankel et al arguably
> > very tudor stewart political etc\
> >
> > ?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
> > To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair We Are Again
> >
> >
> > > You are correct Bil. To use songs from Hair in a new context you 
> > > would
> > need
> > > the permission of the authors and the performance rights holders. 
> > > You
are
> > > also correct that one doesn't always need permission to record a 
> > > song,
but
> > > that law does not cover the use of the songs in a running 
> > > performance
> > piece,
> > > but only on a recording.
> > > Nina
> > >
> > > The Hair Archives 
> > > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Wm-A Gonzalez" <bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that 
> > > >this
> > holds
> > > >true (in the US) for musical material for which someone (TAMS)
already
> > owns
> > > >the theatrical performance rights.  In fact, I believe that 
> > > >specific
> > rights
> > > >need to be acquired to incorporate any copyrighted material into 
> > > >a
new
> > work
> > > >which will lead to financial gain.  My understanding is that you 
> > > >do
not
> > > >need permission to record a published song, but you do still need

> > > >to
pay
> > > >the related royalties, and acknowledge existing copyrights.
> > > >
> > > >-Bil Gonzalez
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair at islandlists.com 
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
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>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:18:34 -0500
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] the senior citizen idea rado was very much in favor
	of 
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
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he had come to a similar conclusion himself

galt is the one who says thats verboten

there is someway for improvisition as indicated in the acting versions

eg the recent gate production took great liberties

as i have heard many of the companies on the road put the nude scene in
walking in space

so there are precedents
but yes the authors have ultimate power
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:25:39 +0800
From: Vincent Edwards <VinUschi at t-online.de>
Subject: [Mb-hair] senior center 
To: "mb-hair at islandemail.com" <mb-hair at islandemail.com>
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this cracks me up  senior center  old peoples home  or even the crazy
hotel where old tribes from the 60s are now living and still doing
wonderful crazy things growing old disgracefully  the old age of
aquarius i think its a smash so ironically funny  think about it  love
you all  vincent

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:45:51 -0500
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center
To: <VinUschi at t-online.de>, <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <015401c5e964$c87a0b10$f1476c42 at hotprojects>
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yes and the critics cant bash it cause theyre old people

everyone wants to do it
including jimmy

galt doesnt want it
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vincent Edwards" <VinUschi at t-online.de>
To: <mb-hair at islandemail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] senior center

> this cracks me up  senior center  old peoples home  or even the crazy 
> hotel where old tribes from the 60s are now living and still doing 
> wonderful crazy things growing old disgracefully  the old age of 
> aquarius i think its a smash so ironically funny  think about it  love

> you all  vincent
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:00:06 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY104-F38F6BB778C413C9A1D406CB25A0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Yes, but this isn't Hair. Write something new - the idea of what has
become 
of the idealists and hippies of the sixties today is an interesting and 
possibly commercial one. But make it a new show, with a new book and
score. 
Why take Hair and turn it into a new show? There are so many talented 
writers and composers out there. Instead of reinventing Hair, express
what 
you're trying to say in a new project.

We all loved being involved with Hair, and it is natural to want to 
recapture it all, but if you're reinventing Hair you would have to have
the 
involvement of the authors, as the London 2005 production did.

So, rather than this descending into our bi-monthly "update it/leave it 
alone" discussion, I would love to hear people's thoughts on why there
is 
always so much interest in re-envisioning Hair in new contexts, when
there 
is so little interest in this for other musicals? Why do we never see
such 
totally changed productions of Hello Dolly, or West Side Story? Why does
no 
one ever want to produce a version of Fiddler or Chorus Line set in
other 
places or times? West Side Story is another show that is tied to it's
times, 
but still very relevant today, with the serious gang violence so
prevalent 
today. Why aren't we seeing lots of people proposing versions of WSS set
in 
the present day, addressing this? Personally I, as you all know, don't
feel 
that things need to be set in contemporary times for the audience to 
understand the relevance to our current lives, so please understand that
I 
am not suggesting that WSS should be updated. Just wondering why this
topic 
is one that comes up so frequently with regard to Hair, but rarely with 
other pieces.
Nina

The Hair Archives http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html

>From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>To: <VinUschi at t-online.de>, <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center
>Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:45:51 -0500
>
>yes and the critics cant bash it cause theyre old people
>
>everyone wants to do it
>including jimmy
>
>galt doesnt want it

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:01:45 -0500
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c5e977$c4aae000$f1476c42 at hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

its not turning hair into a new show
this is how direction and mis en scene evolves

and the authors would naturally be involved in any production of HAIR
that i did i am in constant touch with them

and yes once you set the context
and its the same script
yes it is HAIR
its not the same production
but yes it would be HAIR
and Jimmy Rado shares this vision in fact
that sound that came off the floor in the reunion is HAIR
MORE HAIR THAN ANY OTHER COMPANY

and i have more new high end projects than anyone the planet but HAIR
like a piece of mozart or bizets carmen or something by dostoyevsky is
very special

the reason this discussion comes up with HAIR is the notion of ground
breaking of freshness is very much a part of the zeitgeist of the show;
so the notion of keeping it fresh and freshness is part of HAIRS
inherent makeup

thats why

and yes i would set west side story now
and without changing a word make it black and puerto rican
the jets as in jet black are a black gang
thats whos living up there now

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie at hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center

> Yes, but this isn't Hair. Write something new - the idea of what has
become
> of the idealists and hippies of the sixties today is an interesting 
> and possibly commercial one. But make it a new show, with a new book 
> and
score.
> Why take Hair and turn it into a new show? There are so many talented 
> writers and composers out there. Instead of reinventing Hair, express 
> what you're trying to say in a new project.
>
> We all loved being involved with Hair, and it is natural to want to 
> recapture it all, but if you're reinventing Hair you would have to 
> have
the
> involvement of the authors, as the London 2005 production did.
>
> So, rather than this descending into our bi-monthly "update it/leave 
> it alone" discussion, I would love to hear people's thoughts on why 
> there is always so much interest in re-envisioning Hair in new 
> contexts, when there is so little interest in this for other musicals?

> Why do we never see such totally changed productions of Hello Dolly, 
> or West Side Story? Why does
no
> one ever want to produce a version of Fiddler or Chorus Line set in 
> other places or times? West Side Story is another show that is tied to

> it's
times,
> but still very relevant today, with the serious gang violence so 
> prevalent today. Why aren't we seeing lots of people proposing 
> versions of WSS set
in
> the present day, addressing this? Personally I, as you all know, don't
feel
> that things need to be set in contemporary times for the audience to 
> understand the relevance to our current lives, so please understand 
> that I am not suggesting that WSS should be updated. Just wondering 
> why this
topic
> is one that comes up so frequently with regard to Hair, but rarely 
> with other pieces. Nina
>
> The Hair Archives http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >To: <VinUschi at t-online.de>, <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] senior center
> >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:45:51 -0500
> >
> >yes and the critics cant bash it cause theyre old people
> >
> >everyone wants to do it
> >including jimmy
> >
> >galt doesnt want it
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:16:57 GMT
From: "tiogajoe at juno.com" <tiogajoe at juno.com>
Subject: Re:  [Mb-hair] A Mouse Told Me
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
Message-ID: <20051114.191704.26945.126639 at webmail43.lax.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey, Robert!  A Very Belated Happy Birthday to you!  
Okay, so it took a while for that mouse to get my attention (been busy
and all that jazz), but I saw this posting (finally) and wanted to give
you my best wishes, 'cause I've enjoyed getting to meet you and hang
with you (even if only briefly) at a couple of our most recent HAIR
happenings (Bridgefield, Bridgeport [or where ever it was in
Connecticut] and then the Reunion in NYC).  You're a great contribution
to the HAIR family, and I feel lucky to have been able to know you as
more than just a name on the List.  Keep up the good work and add many
more years to your being here (and thereby being the positive
contributor you have been to the stewardship of this planet Earth of
ours).  
Beads, Love, Freedom, Happiness,
--Tioga Joe
====================================
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:19:19 -0400
From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>

Robert,
That today is a great one
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Hope your leg is better.
And see you soon
Michael

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:12:57 GMT
From: "tiogajoe at juno.com" <tiogajoe at juno.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Weed and such
To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
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 Just IMHO:
Smoke in the lungs being unsafe:  
Probably.  Hard to argue against.  But still, I don't want smoking
outlawed.  You may catch me smoking Cavendish in a briarwood pipe as I
stroll to the fishing pier late at night.  In a way, it signals that
stand.  England's King James hated the smoking of the evil weed tobacco
back in the early 1600's.  Had he had his way, English-speaking America
may never have taken root in Jamestown, Virginia, and we may well have
ended up speaking a different language in America today.  I'm glad the
smoke merchants succeeded.
Cannabis smoke stinking:
Yeah, I've smelled some pretty stinky stuff -- yet even that had some
adequate results (altering-of-states-of-consciousness-wise), but, man,
the good stuff?  That smell is good enough to can in an aerosol can of
air-freshener!  I've almost gotten whip-lash when catching a whiff and
then searching the environs to figure out the source!  It's a pretty
smell.  No stink at all.  But, yeah, there's some stinky stuff out there
(30 years ago when I was a waiter in a restaurant in Billsburg,
Virginia, the busboy had some stinky pot.  It smelled awful.  But he was
a happy busboy [hard to find] and he did his part to make sure at least
one of the waiters he worked for was happy, too!).
Beach Boys:
I turned on to the Beach Boys as a young teen when they first started
making waves in the early-mid '60s, and that was LONG before I allowed
myself to investigate pot, so I had (and have) no drug connections to
their music (even if there were some).  Brian Wilson and his Beach Boys
spoke to me through their music.  That music (and lyrics) continue to be
for me all that's necessary to get into that groove.
Regarding New Jersey's "Weed Man," I'm afraid it may be discovered that
I voted for him.  Hell, I dislike both the major candidates for
Governorship, so, hell, I figured I might as well make that point as
strongly as I could (and with some measure of a sense of humor, eh?)
Regarding legalizing, ... well, you said it.
And the fifth?  Yeah, I take the fifth (I also bought a fifth, which,
apparently, is still legal).
Anyway, all of the above is only alleged to have come from me.  These
opinions are not necessarily those of the author (am I paranoid, or
what?).
Yadda, yadda, yadda, have a good day, and all that jazz,
Joseph Livingstone de Tioga
====================================== 
Sean Courtney <dauber at banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
    On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

    > There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
    > mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads
garbage
    > propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that
marijuana
    > gave him intellectual insight.

    I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far
not the
    only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

    My overall thoughts:

    1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your
lungs
    ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as
close to
    the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why
your 
lungs
    force it out.

    2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a
whiff of
    at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I w ent to
where
    someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up
when
    you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all
the songs
    in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John 
B" is NOT
    a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously,
that
    stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right
now. 

    3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In
fact...here in
    NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested 
several times
    for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises
to
    legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
    thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the
two
    bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm
not
    bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates
for NJ
    governor just don't give me a good feeling.

    4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize
it, 
what
    with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

    5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

    --
    dauber at banana-and-louie.org

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:49:18 +0800
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