[Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18

Sun Feb 6 16:55:49 PST 2005

again bush is not the anti christ
hes the person who pushes cigarettes during the commercial breaks during the
anti christs special
like ronald regan on those 1950s tv specials
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18


> All,
> Ian says that Bush is not the Anti-Christ.
> I must defer to that coming from our resident clergy.
> Bush could be worse.
>
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> >  1. EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (Michael Butler)
> >  2. EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names   (Michael Butler)
> >  3. Re: EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (richard haase)
> >  4. Re: Why I Like Dean-Michael (Robin McNamara)
> >  5. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> >  6. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> >  7. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> >  8. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> >  9. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:40:06 -0800
> > From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <BE2A5306.1D4F4%michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > latimes.com
> > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> > And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> >
> > February 5, 2005
> >
> > Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> > SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> > sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
> > James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> > SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and
his
> > soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
homosexual
> > cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
role
> > model for kids.
> >
> > Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the
more
> > a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
assumed
> > were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> > monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something,
and
> > as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> > examples:
> >
> > ?  Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but
who
> > really buys those twin beds?
> >
> >
> >
> > ?  Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George.
No
> > wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
> >
> > ?  The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> > carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
carries
> > on ? unmanly in the extreme.
> >
> > ?  Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin
the
> > Boy Wonder? Come on.
> >
> > ?  Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents
should
> > have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
into
> > town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
rats
> > danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe
music,
> > the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
> >
> > ?  Peter Pan may be straight ? he seems to have a thing for Wendy ? but
his
> > relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern.
The
> > lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
Pan
> > has not been sufficiently explored.
> >
> > ?  There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
gender
> > confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
over,
> > sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
(read,
> > female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
> > little winged elephants.
> >
> > ?  Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She
mostly
> > pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
often
> > calls her "Sir." Hmm.
> >
> > It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
eroding
> > family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> > constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages
our
> > children ? and those of generations past ? imbibed with their bedtime
> > bottles.
> >
> > If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> > latimes.com/archives.
> > TMS Reprints
> > Article licensing and reprint options
> >
> >
> >
> > Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:46:52 -0800
> > From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names
> > To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <BE2A549C.1D4F9%michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > washingtonpost.com
> > Naming U.N. Names
> >
> >
> >
> > Saturday, February 5, 2005; Page A18
> >
> > THE FIRST and most important point to make about the preliminary report
on
> > corruption in the United Nations' oil-for-food program is that it is not
a
> > whitewash. Despite dark hints that Paul A. Volcker, the former Federal
> > Reserve chairman who led the investigation, was too chummy with the U.N.
> > bosses, Thursday's report did name names. Most notably, it accused Benon
> > Sevan of having received the rights to purchase millions of barrels of
> > discounted oil from Iraqi officials while he was serving as the director
of
> > the oil-for-food program. Suspicions that Kofi Annan, the U.N. secretary
> > general, would try to sweep the story under the carpet also have not
proven
> > correct. Mr. Annan has announced that he will pursue disciplinary
> > proceedings against Mr. Sevan and other U.N. officials.
> >
> > The question now is what, if anything, these findings say about the
United
> > Nations itself. Congressional critics who see something unique or
unusual in
> > this report of U.N. corruption should look harder at the behavior of
> > American, British and other companies in Iraq during that period: The
vast
> > majority of the oil smuggling had nothing to do with the United Nations
and
> > everything to do with the Western companies and governments that were
> > benefiting, one way or another, from the Iraqi sanctions. More to the
point,
> > U.N. Security Council members, including the United States, turned a
blind
> > eye to allegations of corruption while it was going on, and they may
have
> > even used it to benefit U.S. allies in the region. Mr. Volcker has said
that
> > he has found more openness and willingness to share documents about
these
> > issues in the United Nations than in some corners of the U.S.
government.
> >
> > It is also true, however, that the oil-for-food scandal should provide a
> > lesson for those who continue to believe that the United Nations can or
> > should play a larger political role than it does today. The U.N. serves
many
> > useful and necessary functions, including the coordination of
international
> > relief. Peacekeeping troops flying the U.N. flag can help monitor
> > cease-fires in regions where there is a genuine peace to keep. But this
is
> > an organization that is severely limited in its capacity to manage
complex
> > financial and political programs, both by its necessarily politicized
hiring
> > practices and by its lack of funds. It is not an organization that can
> > operate well in war zones such as Bosnia or Congo, or in deeply corrupt
> > countries such as Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
> >
> > The U.N. oil-for-food report should not be used as yet another excuse
for
> > U.N.-bashing by citizens of countries whose governments behaved at least
as
> > badly in prewar Iraq. At the same time, it should force those in this
> > country and around the world who believe that international
organizations
> > will soon take the place of nation-states to think twice.
> >
> > ? 2005 The Washington Post Company
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:21:27 -0500
> > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <009801c50bb7$e3e566f0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > i think peter pan is really a lesbian
> > lol
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:40 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> >
> >
> > latimes.com
> > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> > And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> >
> > February 5, 2005
> >
> > Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> > SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> > sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
> > James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> > SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and
his
> > soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
homosexual
> > cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
role
> > model for kids.
> >
> > Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the
more
> > a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
assumed
> > were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> > monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something,
and
> > as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> > examples:
> >
> > ?  Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but
who
> > really buys those twin beds?
> >
> >
> >
> > ?  Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George.
No
> > wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
> >
> > ?  The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> > carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
carries
> > on < unmanly in the extreme.
> >
> > ?  Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin
the
> > Boy Wonder? Come on.
> >
> > ?  Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents
should
> > have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
into
> > town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
rats
> > danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe
music,
> > the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
> >
> > ?  Peter Pan may be straight < he seems to have a thing for Wendy < but
his
> > relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern.
The
> > lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
Pan
> > has not been sufficiently explored.
> >
> > ?  There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
gender
> > confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
over,
> > sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
(read,
> > female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
> > little winged elephants.
> >
> > ?  Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She
mostly
> > pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
often
> > calls her "Sir." Hmm.
> >
> > It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
eroding
> > family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> > constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages
our
> > children < and those of generations past < imbibed with their bedtime
> > bottles.
> >
> > If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> > latimes.com/archives.
> > TMS Reprints
> > Article licensing and reprint options
> >
> >
> >
> > Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-civic mailing list
> > Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:27 -0600
> > From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <001b01c50bc4$0b389400$40022341 at CowBox>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > I totally agree with you about Dean, he got a "bad rap" during the
election.
> >
> > Peace
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:57 AM
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
> >
> >
> >> I do hope he is made the Chairman of the DNC. He has proved the ability
to
> >> organize cross country/sex/ethnic lines which is so needed. He will
> >> inspire
> >> followers not as a candidate but as an organizer.
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> The New York Times
> >> February 5, 2005
> >> OP-ED COLUMNIST
> >> A Short History of Deanism
> >> By DAVID BROOKS
> >>
> >> As you may recall, Ralph Kramden was a member of the Raccoon Lodge in
"The
> >> Honeymooners."
> >>
> >> Back in the 1950's, tens of millions of Americans were members of
> >> fellowship
> >> associations like the Elks Lodges, the Rotary Clubs and the
Soroptimists.
> >> These groups had lodges or chapters across the nation, where the
affluent
> >> and not so affluent, the educated and not so educated, would get
together
> >> once a week or so for schmoozing and community service.
> >>
> >> But as Prof. Theda Skocpol of Harvard has demonstrated, these fraternal
> >> associations lost members in the 1960's. Instead, groups like NOW,
Naral
> >> and
> >> the Heritage Foundation emerged as the important associations in
American
> >> life. But these groups were not like the old fellowship organizations.
> >>
> >> Many of these groups were formed to champion some specific cause.
Instead
> >> of
> >> relying on a vast network of local chapters, they tend to organize
their
> >> work from central offices in New York or Washington, with a
professional
> >> staff. They raise money through direct mail appeals or by asking for
> >> foundation grants.
> >>
> >> These new groups are dominated by experts - people who live within the
> >> network of grant officers, activists and scholars. Being a member of
one
> >> of
> >> these organizations doesn't generally involve going to a local lodge
once
> >> a
> >> week and communing with your neighbors; it involves sending a check
once a
> >> year and reading a newsletter.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, as Skocpol observes in her book "Diminished Democracy,"
these
> >> new organizations tend not to bring people together across class lines.
In
> >> 1980, at a time when about 15 percent of the electorate had a college
> >> degree, roughly 80 percent of the members of the Sierra Club and Naral
> >> were
> >> college graduates.
> >>
> >> The decline of fraternal associations and the emergence of these
> >> professionally run groups for the educated class diminished communal
life.
> >> The change also reshaped politics.
> >>
> >> Since the 1960's there has been a breakdown in the machinery that
allowed
> >> Americans to work together across class and other divisions. The
educated
> >> class has come to dominate, and the issues of interest to that class
> >> overshadow issues of interest to the less educated and less well off.
> >>
> >> But the two major parties were affected unequally. The Republican
> >> coalition
> >> still contains some cross-class associations, like the N.R.A. and the
> >> evangelical churches, which connect corporate elites to the middle
> >> classes.
> >> The Democratic coalition has fewer organizations like that. Its elite -
> >> the
> >> urban and university-town elite - has less contact with the less
educated.
> >>
> >> Not coincidentally, Republicans have a much easier time putting
together
> >> electoral majorities.
> >>
> >> The story doesn't end there.
> >>
> >> Over the past two years, what we might loosely call the university-town
> >> elite has come to dominate the Democratic Party not just
intellectually,
> >> but
> >> financially as well.
> >>
> >> Howard Dean, in his fervent antiwar phase, mobilized new networks of
small
> >> donors, and these donors have quickly become the money base of the
party.
> >> Whereas Al Gore raised only about $50 million from individuals in 2000,
> >> John
> >> Kerry raised $225 million, including $87 million over the Internet
alone.
> >> Many of these new donors are highly educated. The biggest groups of
donors
> >> to the Dean and Kerry campaigns were employees of the University of
> >> California, Harvard, Stanford, Time Warner, Microsoft and so on.
> >>
> >> They tend to be to the left of the country, especially on social and
> >> security issues. They may not agree with Michael Moore on everything,
but
> >> many enjoyed "Fahrenheit 9/11." Perhaps they are among the hundreds of
> >> thousands of daily visitors to Daily Kos and other blogs that savage
> >> Democrats who violate party orthodoxy.
> >>
> >> Many Republicans are mystified as to why the Democrats, having lost
> >> another
> >> election, are about to name Howard Dean as party chairman and have
allowed
> >> Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy to emerge unchallenged as the loudest
> >> foreign
> >> policy voices.
> >>
> >> The answer, as Mickey Kaus observes in Slate, is that the party is
> >> following
> >> the money. The energy and the dough are in the MoveOn.org wing, which
is
> >> not
> >> even a wing of the party, but the head and the wallet. Only the most
> >> passionate and liberal voices can stir up this network of online donors
> >> from
> >> the educated class.
> >>
> >> Howard Dean may not be as liberal as he appeared in the primaries, but
in
> >> 1,001 ways - from his secularism to his stridency - he embodies the
newly
> >> dominant educated class, which is large, self-contained and assertive.
> >>
> >> Thanks to this newly dominant group, the Democrats are sure to carry
> >> Berkeley for decades to come.
> >>
> >> Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy |
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500
> > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <0a7a01c50bec$0965efb0$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
indeed,
> > any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
> > False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> > Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
descent.
> > And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
will
> > betray his own people.
> >
> > Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
comfort
> > that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> >
> > Peace.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >
> >
> >> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> >> I hate to think it might be true.
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> ------ Forwarded Message
> >> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> >> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> >> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>
> >> Who Killed Kennedy?
> >>
> >>   _____
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> >> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>
> >>
> >> bush is not the anti christ
> >> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> >> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> >> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> >> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> >> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> >> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>
> >> War,
> >> Forsaking the Poor,
> >> Favoring the Rich,
> >> Religious Intolerance,
> >> Polluting Our Earth,
> >> Bankrupting our Children,
> >> Lies.
> >> Bush
> >> is the
> >> Anti-Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-civic mailing list
> >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:45:50 -0500
> > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <001a01c50bed$963c5c20$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
the
> > scripture are of jewish descent
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >
> >
> >> All:
> >>
> >> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > indeed,
> >> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
the
> >> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> >> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
descent.
> >> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> >> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
will
> >> betray his own people.
> >>
> >> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> > comfort
> >> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> >>
> >> Peace.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> >> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> >> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> >> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> >>> I hate to think it might be true.
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> ------ Forwarded Message
> >>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> >>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> >>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> >>>
> >>>   _____
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bush is not the anti christ
> >>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> >>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> >>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> >>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> >>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>> War,
> >>> Forsaking the Poor,
> >>> Favoring the Rich,
> >>> Religious Intolerance,
> >>> Polluting Our Earth,
> >>> Bankrupting our Children,
> >>> Lies.
> >>> Bush
> >>> is the
> >>> Anti-Christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:48:35 -0500
> > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <006801c50bed$f87b1de0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > george bush and all the nixon crew are both of european and of jewish
> > descent
> > ?
> > all christians are ian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >
> >
> >> All:
> >>
> >> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > indeed,
> >> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
the
> >> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> >> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
descent.
> >> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> >> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
will
> >> betray his own people.
> >>
> >> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> > comfort
> >> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> >>
> >> Peace.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> >> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> >> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> >> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> >>> I hate to think it might be true.
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> ------ Forwarded Message
> >>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> >>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> >>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> >>>
> >>>   _____
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bush is not the anti christ
> >>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> >>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> >>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> >>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> >>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>
> >>> War,
> >>> Forsaking the Poor,
> >>> Favoring the Rich,
> >>> Religious Intolerance,
> >>> Polluting Our Earth,
> >>> Bankrupting our Children,
> >>> Lies.
> >>> Bush
> >>> is the
> >>> Anti-Christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-civic mailing list
> >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:06:07 -0500
> > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <0aab01c50bf0$6bb77950$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Richard:
> >
> > I'm surprised at you.  While Peter and his "group" preached to the Jews,
> > Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not of
> > Jewish descent.  In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are not
of
> > Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
converted
> > to Christianity.
> >
> > Peace.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >
> >
> >> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
the
> >> scripture are of jewish descent
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> >> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>> All:
> >>>
> >>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> >> indeed,
> >>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
the
> >>> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> >>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> > descent.
> >>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> >>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> > will
> >>> betray his own people.
> >>>
> >>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> >> comfort
> >>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> >>>
> >>> Peace.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> >>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> >>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> >>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> >>>> I hate to think it might be true.
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> ------ Forwarded Message
> >>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> >>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>
> >>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> >>>>
> >>>>   _____
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> >>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bush is not the anti christ
> >>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> >>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> >>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> >>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> >>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> >>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>
> >>>> War,
> >>>> Forsaking the Poor,
> >>>> Favoring the Rich,
> >>>> Religious Intolerance,
> >>>> Polluting Our Earth,
> >>>> Bankrupting our Children,
> >>>> Lies.
> >>>> Bush
> >>>> is the
> >>>> Anti-Christ
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-civic mailing list
> >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:12:04 -0500
> > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Message-ID: <007a01c50bf1$4056a050$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > peace yourself
> > the european christians
> > currently are all of jewish descent
> > how could they not be?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >
> >
> >> Richard:
> >>
> >> I'm surprised at you.  While Peter and his "group" preached to the
Jews,
> >> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not
of
> >> Jewish descent.  In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are
not
> > of
> >> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
converted
> >> to Christianity.
> >>
> >> Peace.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> >> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>
> >>
> >>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
> > the
> >>> scripture are of jewish descent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> >>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> All:
> >>>>
> >>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> >>> indeed,
> >>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
> > the
> >>>> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers
the
> >>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> >> descent.
> >>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> >>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> >> will
> >>>> betray his own people.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> >>> comfort
> >>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> >>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> >>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> >>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
> >>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> >>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> >>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   _____
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> >>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bush is not the anti christ
> >>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> >>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> >>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> >>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> >>>>>
> >>>>> War,
> >>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
> >>>>> Favoring the Rich,
> >>>>> Religious Intolerance,
> >>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
> >>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
> >>>>> Lies.
> >>>>> Bush
> >>>>> is the
> >>>>> Anti-Christ
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >>>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >>>
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> >>> Mb-civic mailing list
> >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> >>
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> >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> >
> >
> >
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