[Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18

[Ian]

Michael:

Touche!

Peace.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18


> again bush is not the anti christ
> hes the person who pushes cigarettes during the commercial breaks during
the
> anti christs special
> like ronald regan on those 1950s tv specials
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 6:56 PM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18
>
>
> > All,
> > Ian says that Bush is not the Anti-Christ.
> > I must defer to that coming from our resident clergy.
> > Bush could be worse.
> >
> >
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >  1. EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (Michael Butler)
> > >  2. EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names   (Michael Butler)
> > >  3. Re: EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (richard haase)
> > >  4. Re: Why I Like Dean-Michael (Robin McNamara)
> > >  5. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> > >  6. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> > >  7. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> > >  8. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
> > >  9. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:40:06 -0800
> > > From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > > To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <BE2A5306.1D4F4%michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> > >
> > > latimes.com
> > > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> > > And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > >
> > > February 5, 2005
> > >
> > > Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> > > SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> > > sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last
month,
> > > James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> > > SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and
> his
> > > soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
> homosexual
> > > cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
> role
> > > model for kids.
> > >
> > > Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it,
the
> more
> > > a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
> assumed
> > > were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> > > monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to
something,
> and
> > > as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> > > examples:
> > >
> > > ?  Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates,
but
> who
> > > really buys those twin beds?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ?  Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named
George.
> No
> > > wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
> > >
> > > ?  The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> > > carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
> carries
> > > on ? unmanly in the extreme.
> > >
> > > ?  Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and
Robin
> the
> > > Boy Wonder? Come on.
> > >
> > > ?  Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents
> should
> > > have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
> into
> > > town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
> rats
> > > danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe
> music,
> > > the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
> > >
> > > ?  Peter Pan may be straight ? he seems to have a thing for Wendy ?
but
> his
> > > relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another
concern.
> The
> > > lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
> Pan
> > > has not been sufficiently explored.
> > >
> > > ?  There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
> gender
> > > confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
> over,
> > > sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
> (read,
> > > female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them
as
> > > little winged elephants.
> > >
> > > ?  Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She
> mostly
> > > pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
> often
> > > calls her "Sir." Hmm.
> > >
> > > It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
> eroding
> > > family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> > > constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages
> our
> > > children ? and those of generations past ? imbibed with their bedtime
> > > bottles.
> > >
> > > If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> > > latimes.com/archives.
> > > TMS Reprints
> > > Article licensing and reprint options
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:46:52 -0800
> > > From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names
> > > To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <BE2A549C.1D4F9%michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > > washingtonpost.com
> > > Naming U.N. Names
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday, February 5, 2005; Page A18
> > >
> > > THE FIRST and most important point to make about the preliminary
report
> on
> > > corruption in the United Nations' oil-for-food program is that it is
not
> a
> > > whitewash. Despite dark hints that Paul A. Volcker, the former Federal
> > > Reserve chairman who led the investigation, was too chummy with the
U.N.
> > > bosses, Thursday's report did name names. Most notably, it accused
Benon
> > > Sevan of having received the rights to purchase millions of barrels of
> > > discounted oil from Iraqi officials while he was serving as the
director
> of
> > > the oil-for-food program. Suspicions that Kofi Annan, the U.N.
secretary
> > > general, would try to sweep the story under the carpet also have not
> proven
> > > correct. Mr. Annan has announced that he will pursue disciplinary
> > > proceedings against Mr. Sevan and other U.N. officials.
> > >
> > > The question now is what, if anything, these findings say about the
> United
> > > Nations itself. Congressional critics who see something unique or
> unusual in
> > > this report of U.N. corruption should look harder at the behavior of
> > > American, British and other companies in Iraq during that period: The
> vast
> > > majority of the oil smuggling had nothing to do with the United
Nations
> and
> > > everything to do with the Western companies and governments that were
> > > benefiting, one way or another, from the Iraqi sanctions. More to the
> point,
> > > U.N. Security Council members, including the United States, turned a
> blind
> > > eye to allegations of corruption while it was going on, and they may
> have
> > > even used it to benefit U.S. allies in the region. Mr. Volcker has
said
> that
> > > he has found more openness and willingness to share documents about
> these
> > > issues in the United Nations than in some corners of the U.S.
> government.
> > >
> > > It is also true, however, that the oil-for-food scandal should provide
a
> > > lesson for those who continue to believe that the United Nations can
or
> > > should play a larger political role than it does today. The U.N.
serves
> many
> > > useful and necessary functions, including the coordination of
> international
> > > relief. Peacekeeping troops flying the U.N. flag can help monitor
> > > cease-fires in regions where there is a genuine peace to keep. But
this
> is
> > > an organization that is severely limited in its capacity to manage
> complex
> > > financial and political programs, both by its necessarily politicized
> hiring
> > > practices and by its lack of funds. It is not an organization that can
> > > operate well in war zones such as Bosnia or Congo, or in deeply
corrupt
> > > countries such as Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
> > >
> > > The U.N. oil-for-food report should not be used as yet another excuse
> for
> > > U.N.-bashing by citizens of countries whose governments behaved at
least
> as
> > > badly in prewar Iraq. At the same time, it should force those in this
> > > country and around the world who believe that international
> organizations
> > > will soon take the place of nation-states to think twice.
> > >
> > > ? 2005 The Washington Post Company
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:21:27 -0500
> > > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <009801c50bb7$e3e566f0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > i think peter pan is really a lesbian
> > > lol
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:40 PM
> > > Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > >
> > >
> > > latimes.com
> > > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
> > > And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
> > >
> > > February 5, 2005
> > >
> > > Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
> > > SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
> > > sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last
month,
> > > James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
> > > SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and
> his
> > > soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
> homosexual
> > > cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
> role
> > > model for kids.
> > >
> > > Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it,
the
> more
> > > a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
> assumed
> > > were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
> > > monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to
something,
> and
> > > as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
> > > examples:
> > >
> > > ?  Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates,
but
> who
> > > really buys those twin beds?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ?  Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named
George.
> No
> > > wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
> > >
> > > ?  The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
> > > carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
> carries
> > > on < unmanly in the extreme.
> > >
> > > ?  Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and
Robin
> the
> > > Boy Wonder? Come on.
> > >
> > > ?  Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents
> should
> > > have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
> into
> > > town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
> rats
> > > danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe
> music,
> > > the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
> > >
> > > ?  Peter Pan may be straight < he seems to have a thing for Wendy <
but
> his
> > > relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another
concern.
> The
> > > lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
> Pan
> > > has not been sufficiently explored.
> > >
> > > ?  There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
> gender
> > > confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
> over,
> > > sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
> (read,
> > > female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them
as
> > > little winged elephants.
> > >
> > > ?  Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She
> mostly
> > > pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
> often
> > > calls her "Sir." Hmm.
> > >
> > > It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
> eroding
> > > family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
> > > constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages
> our
> > > children < and those of generations past < imbibed with their bedtime
> > > bottles.
> > >
> > > If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
> > > latimes.com/archives.
> > > TMS Reprints
> > > Article licensing and reprint options
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:27 -0600
> > > From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <001b01c50bc4$0b389400$40022341 at CowBox>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > I totally agree with you about Dean, he got a "bad rap" during the
> election.
> > >
> > > Peace
> > > Robin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:57 AM
> > > Subject: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >> I do hope he is made the Chairman of the DNC. He has proved the
ability
> to
> > >> organize cross country/sex/ethnic lines which is so needed. He will
> > >> inspire
> > >> followers not as a candidate but as an organizer.
> > >> Michael
> > >>
> > >> The New York Times
> > >> February 5, 2005
> > >> OP-ED COLUMNIST
> > >> A Short History of Deanism
> > >> By DAVID BROOKS
> > >>
> > >> As you may recall, Ralph Kramden was a member of the Raccoon Lodge in
> "The
> > >> Honeymooners."
> > >>
> > >> Back in the 1950's, tens of millions of Americans were members of
> > >> fellowship
> > >> associations like the Elks Lodges, the Rotary Clubs and the
> Soroptimists.
> > >> These groups had lodges or chapters across the nation, where the
> affluent
> > >> and not so affluent, the educated and not so educated, would get
> together
> > >> once a week or so for schmoozing and community service.
> > >>
> > >> But as Prof. Theda Skocpol of Harvard has demonstrated, these
fraternal
> > >> associations lost members in the 1960's. Instead, groups like NOW,
> Naral
> > >> and
> > >> the Heritage Foundation emerged as the important associations in
> American
> > >> life. But these groups were not like the old fellowship
organizations.
> > >>
> > >> Many of these groups were formed to champion some specific cause.
> Instead
> > >> of
> > >> relying on a vast network of local chapters, they tend to organize
> their
> > >> work from central offices in New York or Washington, with a
> professional
> > >> staff. They raise money through direct mail appeals or by asking for
> > >> foundation grants.
> > >>
> > >> These new groups are dominated by experts - people who live within
the
> > >> network of grant officers, activists and scholars. Being a member of
> one
> > >> of
> > >> these organizations doesn't generally involve going to a local lodge
> once
> > >> a
> > >> week and communing with your neighbors; it involves sending a check
> once a
> > >> year and reading a newsletter.
> > >>
> > >> Furthermore, as Skocpol observes in her book "Diminished Democracy,"
> these
> > >> new organizations tend not to bring people together across class
lines.
> In
> > >> 1980, at a time when about 15 percent of the electorate had a college
> > >> degree, roughly 80 percent of the members of the Sierra Club and
Naral
> > >> were
> > >> college graduates.
> > >>
> > >> The decline of fraternal associations and the emergence of these
> > >> professionally run groups for the educated class diminished communal
> life.
> > >> The change also reshaped politics.
> > >>
> > >> Since the 1960's there has been a breakdown in the machinery that
> allowed
> > >> Americans to work together across class and other divisions. The
> educated
> > >> class has come to dominate, and the issues of interest to that class
> > >> overshadow issues of interest to the less educated and less well off.
> > >>
> > >> But the two major parties were affected unequally. The Republican
> > >> coalition
> > >> still contains some cross-class associations, like the N.R.A. and the
> > >> evangelical churches, which connect corporate elites to the middle
> > >> classes.
> > >> The Democratic coalition has fewer organizations like that. Its
elite -
> > >> the
> > >> urban and university-town elite - has less contact with the less
> educated.
> > >>
> > >> Not coincidentally, Republicans have a much easier time putting
> together
> > >> electoral majorities.
> > >>
> > >> The story doesn't end there.
> > >>
> > >> Over the past two years, what we might loosely call the
university-town
> > >> elite has come to dominate the Democratic Party not just
> intellectually,
> > >> but
> > >> financially as well.
> > >>
> > >> Howard Dean, in his fervent antiwar phase, mobilized new networks of
> small
> > >> donors, and these donors have quickly become the money base of the
> party.
> > >> Whereas Al Gore raised only about $50 million from individuals in
2000,
> > >> John
> > >> Kerry raised $225 million, including $87 million over the Internet
> alone.
> > >> Many of these new donors are highly educated. The biggest groups of
> donors
> > >> to the Dean and Kerry campaigns were employees of the University of
> > >> California, Harvard, Stanford, Time Warner, Microsoft and so on.
> > >>
> > >> They tend to be to the left of the country, especially on social and
> > >> security issues. They may not agree with Michael Moore on everything,
> but
> > >> many enjoyed "Fahrenheit 9/11." Perhaps they are among the hundreds
of
> > >> thousands of daily visitors to Daily Kos and other blogs that savage
> > >> Democrats who violate party orthodoxy.
> > >>
> > >> Many Republicans are mystified as to why the Democrats, having lost
> > >> another
> > >> election, are about to name Howard Dean as party chairman and have
> allowed
> > >> Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy to emerge unchallenged as the loudest
> > >> foreign
> > >> policy voices.
> > >>
> > >> The answer, as Mickey Kaus observes in Slate, is that the party is
> > >> following
> > >> the money. The energy and the dough are in the MoveOn.org wing, which
> is
> > >> not
> > >> even a wing of the party, but the head and the wallet. Only the most
> > >> passionate and liberal voices can stir up this network of online
donors
> > >> from
> > >> the educated class.
> > >>
> > >> Howard Dean may not be as liberal as he appeared in the primaries,
but
> in
> > >> 1,001 ways - from his secularism to his stridency - he embodies the
> newly
> > >> dominant educated class, which is large, self-contained and
assertive.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks to this newly dominant group, the Democrats are sure to carry
> > >> Berkeley for decades to come.
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500
> > > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <0a7a01c50bec$0965efb0$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > All:
> > >
> > > Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> indeed,
> > > any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
the
> > > False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
> > > Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> descent.
> > > And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > > Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> will
> > > betray his own people.
> > >
> > > Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> comfort
> > > that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> > >
> > > Peace.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > > To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > > <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > > Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >
> > >
> > >> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> > >> I hate to think it might be true.
> > >> Michael
> > >>
> > >> ------ Forwarded Message
> > >> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> > >> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> > >> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>
> > >> Who Killed Kennedy?
> > >>
> > >>   _____
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> > >> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> bush is not the anti christ
> > >> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> > >> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> > >> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> > >> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> > >> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> > >> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>
> > >> War,
> > >> Forsaking the Poor,
> > >> Favoring the Rich,
> > >> Religious Intolerance,
> > >> Polluting Our Earth,
> > >> Bankrupting our Children,
> > >> Lies.
> > >> Bush
> > >> is the
> > >> Anti-Christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:45:50 -0500
> > > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <001a01c50bed$963c5c20$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
> the
> > > scripture are of jewish descent
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >
> > >
> > >> All:
> > >>
> > >> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > > indeed,
> > >> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
> the
> > >> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers
the
> > >> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> descent.
> > >> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > >> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> will
> > >> betray his own people.
> > >>
> > >> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> > > comfort
> > >> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> > >>
> > >> Peace.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > >> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > >> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > >> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> > >>> I hate to think it might be true.
> > >>> Michael
> > >>>
> > >>> ------ Forwarded Message
> > >>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> > >>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> > >>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> > >>>
> > >>>   _____
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> > >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> bush is not the anti christ
> > >>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> > >>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> > >>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> > >>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> > >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> > >>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>> War,
> > >>> Forsaking the Poor,
> > >>> Favoring the Rich,
> > >>> Religious Intolerance,
> > >>> Polluting Our Earth,
> > >>> Bankrupting our Children,
> > >>> Lies.
> > >>> Bush
> > >>> is the
> > >>> Anti-Christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:48:35 -0500
> > > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <006801c50bed$f87b1de0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > george bush and all the nixon crew are both of european and of jewish
> > > descent
> > > ?
> > > all christians are ian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >
> > >
> > >> All:
> > >>
> > >> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > > indeed,
> > >> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
> the
> > >> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers
the
> > >> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> descent.
> > >> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > >> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
> will
> > >> betray his own people.
> > >>
> > >> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> > > comfort
> > >> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> > >>
> > >> Peace.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > >> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > >> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > >> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> > >>> I hate to think it might be true.
> > >>> Michael
> > >>>
> > >>> ------ Forwarded Message
> > >>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> > >>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> > >>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> > >>>
> > >>>   _____
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> > >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> bush is not the anti christ
> > >>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> > >>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> > >>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> > >>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> > >>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> > >>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>
> > >>> War,
> > >>> Forsaking the Poor,
> > >>> Favoring the Rich,
> > >>> Religious Intolerance,
> > >>> Polluting Our Earth,
> > >>> Bankrupting our Children,
> > >>> Lies.
> > >>> Bush
> > >>> is the
> > >>> Anti-Christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:06:07 -0500
> > > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <0aab01c50bf0$6bb77950$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Richard:
> > >
> > > I'm surprised at you.  While Peter and his "group" preached to the
Jews,
> > > Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not
of
> > > Jewish descent.  In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are
not
> of
> > > Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
> converted
> > > to Christianity.
> > >
> > > Peace.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >
> > >
> > >> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
> the
> > >> scripture are of jewish descent
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > >> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> All:
> > >>>
> > >>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > >> indeed,
> > >>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
> the
> > >>> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers
the
> > >>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> > > descent.
> > >>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > >>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because
he
> > > will
> > >>> betray his own people.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But, small
> > >> comfort
> > >>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> > >>>
> > >>> Peace.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > >>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > >>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > >>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> > >>>> I hate to think it might be true.
> > >>>> Michael
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------ Forwarded Message
> > >>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> > >>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> > >>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   _____
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> > >>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> bush is not the anti christ
> > >>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> > >>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> > >>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> > >>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> > >>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> > >>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>> War,
> > >>>> Forsaking the Poor,
> > >>>> Favoring the Rich,
> > >>>> Religious Intolerance,
> > >>>> Polluting Our Earth,
> > >>>> Bankrupting our Children,
> > >>>> Lies.
> > >>>> Bush
> > >>>> is the
> > >>>> Anti-Christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:12:04 -0500
> > > From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Message-ID: <007a01c50bf1$4056a050$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > peace yourself
> > > the european christians
> > > currently are all of jewish descent
> > > how could they not be?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > > To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >
> > >
> > >> Richard:
> > >>
> > >> I'm surprised at you.  While Peter and his "group" preached to the
> Jews,
> > >> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not
> of
> > >> Jewish descent.  In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are
> not
> > > of
> > >> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
> converted
> > >> to Christianity.
> > >>
> > >> Peace.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> > >> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context
of
> > > the
> > >>> scripture are of jewish descent
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
> > >>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> All:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
> > >>> indeed,
> > >>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his
"mouthpiece,"
> > > the
> > >>>> False Prophet.  What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers
> the
> > >>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
> > >> descent.
> > >>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
> > >>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because
he
> > >> will
> > >>>> betray his own people.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line.  But,
small
> > >>> comfort
> > >>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Peace.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
> > >>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> > >>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
> > >>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
> > >>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
> > >>>>> Michael
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
> > >>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
> > >>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
> > >>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   _____
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  On Behalf Of richard haase
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
> > >>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> bush is not the anti christ
> > >>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
> > >>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
> > >>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
> > >>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
> > >>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> War,
> > >>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
> > >>>>> Favoring the Rich,
> > >>>>> Religious Intolerance,
> > >>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
> > >>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
> > >>>>> Lies.
> > >>>>> Bush
> > >>>>> is the
> > >>>>> Anti-Christ
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >>>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Mb-civic mailing list
> > >>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
> > >
> > >
> > >
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