[Mb-civic] The return of the draft

Thu Feb 17 07:20:17 PST 2005

i dont smoke cigarettes ever
and i dont smoke weed in quantity
tiny pin joints
( rolls another )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft


> You better stop smoking now  mother fucker ( I hate to be so blunt) other
> wise your thought process  will end sooner than you think, I am far from
on
> a heath kick & I smoke erb but it is a miniscule  few  few joints
> comparatively to a devastating smoking habit.
>
> Peace
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
>
>
> >i waso getting so senile i forgot for a second that al baraka and
alexander
> > were the same person; ill stop smoking by the time im 50, no 55
> > no...................
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> > To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:35 AM
> > Subject: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
> >
> >
> >> Re:  The return of the draft
> >>
> >>
> >> Al Baraka wrote:
> >>
> >> =======
> >> That would be great, Cheese, but how do we get there from the bloody
mess
> > we
> >> are in now? What pragmatic steps can be taken? Just about all the
> >> contributors to MBC knew that Bush, Blair et al were lying to us from
the
> >> start (ie before the Iraq war and indeed about just about everything
else
> >> ever since) and we foresaw pretty clearly the consequences of their
> >> wickedness and the situation we are now in and a fat lot of good it did
> >> us
> >> and the millions of people around the world who thought the same way.
> >> Bush
> >> was reelected on 2 nov 2004 and Blair looks certain to be reelected in
> >> the
> >> UK in May 2005. We all believe we can see the problem and you for one
> > write
> >> very movingly about it - so how are we going start solving it? It is
> > pretty
> >> complicated - this particular onion has many many skins.
> >> =======
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, I'll step down for a moment from my relatively useless inflammatory
> >> rhetoric that millions of people are spouting just like me around the
> >> planet, and go for the gusto and punch up a Real Solution.
> >>
> >> Hmmm...  Ok, you got me on that one, there ain't a solution.
> >>
> >> LOL........
> >>
> >> In America, at least, we are living under a relatively hunkered down
> >> Military Industrial Dictatorship that could care less if we want a
Draft
> >> brought back or not, as they need foot soldiers to secure various
arenas
> > in
> >> the new global conquest game.
> >>
> >> So we're basically probably going to have a Draft, and already have a
> >> Back
> >> Door Draft as they refer to it, with even current military personnel
> >> currently suing our government for breach of contract as they just keep
> >> extending their enlistment unlawfully.
> >>
> >> Add to that, that we have a party calling themselves "Republicans" who
> > have
> >> basically been hoping to turn back the clock to the early 1900's where
> >> robber barons ruled the world unchallenged, and such things as rights,
> >> votes, welfare of people children etc were basically nonexistent.
> >>
> >> And it all tied together in one big neat bundle means they can just
about
> > do
> >> anything they want.
> >>
> >> The only *real* solution to things such as not desiring a New Draft and
> > how
> >> to avoid it, is to get about 10 million people and march on Washington
> > D.C.
> >> in protest.
> >>
> >> However, given that we cannot *organize* a 10 million person protest
> >> march
> >> on D.C. currently, that offers little hope until the Draft legislation
> >> actually hits the table firmly in Congress, and then maybe at *that*
late
> >> date, people will start *really* organizing "in protest".
> >>
> >> Americans always wait until *after* the fact about so many things to
> > squeak
> >> up, and, just like now, after the fact, it is usually too late.
> >>
> >> But, hey, I could keep typing this crap until the sun goes down, and we
> >> would be no closer to "A Real Solution" than at the time I began typing
> > it.
> >>
> >> But I will typing anyway.  Useless or not.
> >>
> >> Let's again look at the Facts, though, just to clear my mind.
> >>
> >> We're under a military industrial dictatorship.
> >>
> >> We invaded Afghanistan, which supplies 90 percent of all heroin to
Europe
> >> and England, to put people in power who give a rat's *ss about
Afghanis,
> >> while regular Afghanis are dying in hovels in the slums there after
being
> >> invited back by "the new guys".
> >>
> >> Score one major great victory for America right there.  If the poppies
> > that
> >> make heroin weren't there, and we weren't going to get a piece of that
> > drug
> >> money pie under the table in the process, we probably wouldn't have
> > bothered
> >> going after something called the Taliban.
> >>
> >> We invaded Iraq, spent about a half a trillion dollars almost between
the
> > 2,
> >> basically accomplished nothing except to piss off a whole lot of people
> > and
> >> make them even more adamant in their "Anti-American" stances, and are
now
> >> spreading ourselves militarily thin and need more personnel to, among
> > other
> >> things, man those neat 14 permanent military bases we have already
> >> started
> >> construction on in Iraq, as we send drones into Iran as scouts,
preparing
> >> for an invasion of that country with the aid of Israel, or visa versa.
> >>
> >> We're going to need *lots* more military personnel for that one also.
> >>
> >> Ok, so now that we've established that A New Draft will *definitely*
> > arrive
> >> in one form or another, as we are currently under a Government that
> > controls
> >> the House, the Senate, the White House, most of The Supreme Court, the
> >> Department of Justice, Etc, and is currently overseas invaded whomever
in
> >> The Middle East that has oil underground who is stupid enough to let us
> >> undermine what little credibility they have in the international
> > community,
> >> there's probably not much anyone can really do to avoid a Draft in the
> >> coming future.
> >>
> >> Bush will be in office until when, 2009...?   Geez, that *certainly*
> >> seems
> >> like a long time, doesn't it.
> >>
> >> By then we will be so deeply embroiled in various wars in The Middle
> >> East,
> >> that whomever inherits it won't be able to *not* continue a Draft
without
> >> simply abandoning our military arenas on all fronts and simply pull our
> > kids
> >> back home.
> >>
> >> We are so broke *already*, that kids of The Poor are already scrambling
> > just
> >> to get *in* to the military, so they can have an income other than
> >> McDonalds.
> >>
> >> The Solution...?  I don't really know.  A revolution..?  They would
just
> >> call out the storm troopers and they would shoot us all, so there will
be
> > no
> >> Boston Tea Parties anytime soon coming down the alleys of Freedom.
> >>
> >> A 10 million person march..?  That sounds reasonable.  All one has to
do
> > is
> >> organize it and implement it.  However, since Americans do not
> >> *currently*
> >> see a DRASTIC need to get such a thing together and do it, it remains
one
> > of
> >> the farthest things from their minds.
> >>
> >> Amazing that someone must now re-teach America how to relive the 60's
and
> >> the political activism that was born during and from that pooh poohed
era
> > of
> >> long hair, pot, and hippie music.
> >>
> >> They have their heads in televisions, video games, fast cars, and
> >> refrigerators.
> >>
> >> They forgot that they actually have to fight to keep their Freedoms
alive
> >> here in their own country.
> >>
> >> Entrusted their own well being to Capitalist Communists for the most
> >> part,
> >> and are now reaping the results of their own complacency, and their
> > children
> >> are paying for it, currently and in the future, by coming back in body
> > bags.
> >>
> >> Solution...?  Probably isn't one.  Most likely 50 years from now there
> > won't
> >> even be an Internet as we know it now, the Government will have most
> > likely
> >> taken that over by then as well.
> >>
> >> The Federalist Society.  Who belongs to that, I forgot.  Scalia,
> >> Ashcroft,
> >> etc etc etc etc etc.
> >>
> >> They believe the clock should be turned back to a time where men were
> >> men,
> >> robber barons ruled the world, women were to cook and shut up, and it
was
> >> allright for children to work in the coal mines, especially when the
> >> roofs
> >> of the tunnels were too small for adults.
> >>
> >> And they are now in the position to actually make it all happen in
> > reality.
> >>
> >> A new Draft appears to be merely another sore popping to the surface of
a
> >> humongous deadly disease that has eaten what was left of Democracy,
> > Freedom,
> >> Rights, etc in America.
> >>
> >> If one can NOT wrest the power from the hands of these current
> > unscrupulous,
> >> yes, let's call them what they really are, "REPUBLICANS", then getting
A
> > New
> >> Draft cancelled is impossible.
> >>
> >> So, the *real* question is not how to stop a new Draft, but how to
remove
> >> the actual power from these Fascists who basically now run the entire
> >> Federal Government.
> >>
> >> The draft thing will naturally follow the solution of that previous
> >> question.
> >>
> >> How to remove them from Power.
> >>
> >> Our forefathers would have had a *real* revolution, as they realized
that
> >> was the *only* way to remove such tyrants, as exampled as their actions
> >> toward England in their original revolution.
> >>
> >> Today, again, however, they will just gun us down like dogs if we get
> >> "too
> >> out of hand", so "revolution" seems just like some nice song on some
> > Beatles
> >> album I heard long ago.
> >>
> >> Politically remove their Power...?  While they **virtually** control
the
> >> entire Federal Government, that basically remains a complete
> > impossibility.
> >>
> >> So, then.....    What the f*ck options are we really left with.
> >>
> >> Well....   Hmmm....   Lemme see....
> >>
> >> What did THEY use to build the bedrock of their Power on, other than
> >> compliant treason from various entities in America, including various
> >> corporations, judges, medias, etc.
> >>
> >> Ah, yes, that's right.      Propaganda.
> >>
> >> They used simple Propaganda to eliminate some little thing called The
> > Truth.
> >>
> >> And, the Media, it has become apparent, is in it with them.
> >>
> >> Ahhh...  Ok, then that leaves us with *what* weapon as a last
resort...?
> >>
> >> Propaganda.
> >>
> >> Ok, but for sanity's sake, we'll say that for fighting fire with fire,
> >> Propaganda with Propaganda, whereas they used Lies, Half-Truths, and
> >> Delusional Bullsh*t for their Propaganda, we will use The Truth.
> >>
> >> Ok, so here we have our weapon, if this be the only weapon left
available
> > to
> >> us, Propaganda, or, The Truth.
> >>
> >> Allright, so spreading that takes MONEY.
> >>
> >> And that, other than an actual revolution, since political removal of
> > their
> >> Power appears impossible at this late date, and a 10 million person
march
> > on
> >> D.C. would be like trying to get an enemated elephant off the toilet,
> >> appears to be the closest thing that I can come up with an actual
> >> Solution
> >> from my tiny uneducated brain.
> >>
> >> Since most "Administrations'" "criminal activities" are usually, in
> > America,
> >> only prosecuted LONG after the Administration leaves office, trying to
> >> use
> >> legal means to unseat them from Power also appears useless, at least in
> >> an
> >> immediate light.
> >>
> >> 50 years from now, long after I'm gone, someone might read this and say
> >> "What is THAT crap?  Throw that garbage on the fire and hand me another
> > clip
> >> for the rifle..."
> >>
> >> And *that* is where we're heading, as you and so many others now
realize.
> >>
> >> So, let's see, we've gone over possible Solutions, let's just relist
them
> >> again, for removing THE REPUBLICAN FASCIST PARTY from the Power it
> > currently
> >> holds in America and its stranglehold control over the ENTIRE Federal
> >> Government at this time.
> >>
> >> 1.  Political.  Won't work.  We don't have the numbers except for a
> >> filibuster now and then.
> >>
> >> 2.  Legal.  Apparently all the lawyers in America are currently on
> >> thorazine, and won't sue Administrations, normally, until long after
they
> >> are out of office.  Won't work either.
> >>
> >> 3.  Revolution.  No can do.  They will shoot us down like dogs.
> >>
> >> 4.  10 million person march on D.C.  Might work.  Can't get Americans
to
> > get
> >> off their butts, however, to do it until long after the *necessity* for
> >> doing it has arrived and gone.
> >>
> >> 5.  Counter-Propaganda campaign.  Might work if one has the umpteen
> > millions
> >> (billions) of dollars made available to them that it would take to
engage
> >> the current Republican Propaganda now firmly in place, with some
obscure
> >> thing called The Truth.  Would have to circumvent the Media who is also
> >> complicit in the current Treason and Betrayal of America somehow.
Buying
> >> them off remains an option.  As Hitler or someone said, if you repeat
the
> >> same thing over and over and over to a people, convince them that there
> > are
> >> Crisises all around them, and then point at any ignoramus enemy, they
> >> will
> >> throw all their eggs in with you, which is basically how the
Republicans
> >> have managed their Propaganda campaign very nice and tight so far.
Might
> >
> >> work.  Need the cash and organization and brains to pull it off though.
> >>
> >>
> >> About 25 percent of votes elected Bush in 2001 came from right wing
> >> Christian nuts who have been progandasized by The Republicans as to
> >> everything from Gays, to Food Stamps, to Welfare, to Abortion, to
> > Liberals,
> >> to Democrats, to Clinton Getting Head In The Oval Office, to You Name
It.
> >> In 2004, the same thing happened, except it was about 50 percent of the
> >> votes that came from those people, and this time their actual priests
> >> preached them a sermon based basically on The Political Platform Of The
> >> Republican Party, on the Sunday before the Tuesday of the Presidential
> >> Election.
> >>
> >> Even if an anti-Propaganda campaign (The Truth) is found to be an
> > acceptable
> >> and viable and financeable weapon of choice, *those* particular people
> > will
> >> probably not respond whatsoever, as they long ago gave up their common
> > sense
> >> for anything spoken by anyone who used the name of Jesus along with it.
> >>
> >> That's about 25 million sure votes the Republicans will, most likely,
> > always
> >> be able to count on, as they are easily duped into any kind of betrayal
> >> of
> >> Democracy, again, as long as the word "Jesus" is used to frame it with.
> >>
> >>
> >> Other than that, I don't really see any other "solution" hanging
around,
> >> other than "Reaching The People With The Truth", which, again, will
take
> >> LOTS of money, organization, and brain power.  That someone has not
> > already
> >> done it astounds me.
> >>
> >> Remove their Power, the Wars, and, consequently, any need for A New
Draft
> >> will easily follow.
> >>
> >> Convincing "The Military" to give up some of their budgets, powers, and
> >> secrecy is an entirely different matter, lol, especially since they
have
> >> just spent so much money on so many new toys that can broil your
kidneys,
> >> boil the water under your skin, or put actual thoughts into your
cranium.
> >>
> >> All put together, The Republicans, with The Military, with The
> > Corporations,
> >> with The Media, it looks like one big pile of sh*t, which, again, yes,
> >> you're right, so many can now plainly see.
> >>
> >> A "Solution"...?  Well, if you can't get "The Truth Campaign" off the
> >> ground, there is always "Revolution" waiting in the wings just waiting
> >> for
> >> some really stupid Americans to dust it off.
> >>
> >> While seemingly extremely unpalatable now, 50 years from now, that will
> >> be
> >> the last option left available to anyone.
> >>
> >> Or we can just change our name to Palestine and keep pretending.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheeseburger
> >>
> >> .
> >>
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