[Mb-civic] The return of the draft

[Robin McNamara]

 I am sorry I thought you were smoking cigarettes,erb is a wonderful thing & 
sometimes fat joints are fun.  :)

Peace
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft


>i dont smoke cigarettes ever
> and i dont smoke weed in quantity
> tiny pin joints
> ( rolls another )
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
>
>
>> You better stop smoking now  mother fucker ( I hate to be so blunt) other
>> wise your thought process  will end sooner than you think, I am far from
> on
>> a heath kick & I smoke erb but it is a miniscule  few  few joints
>> comparatively to a devastating smoking habit.
>>
>> Peace
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
>>
>>
>> >i waso getting so senile i forgot for a second that al baraka and
> alexander
>> > were the same person; ill stop smoking by the time im 50, no 55
>> > no...................
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
>> > To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:35 AM
>> > Subject: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
>> >
>> >
>> >> Re:  The return of the draft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Al Baraka wrote:
>> >>
>> >> =======
>> >> That would be great, Cheese, but how do we get there from the bloody
> mess
>> > we
>> >> are in now? What pragmatic steps can be taken? Just about all the
>> >> contributors to MBC knew that Bush, Blair et al were lying to us from
> the
>> >> start (ie before the Iraq war and indeed about just about everything
> else
>> >> ever since) and we foresaw pretty clearly the consequences of their
>> >> wickedness and the situation we are now in and a fat lot of good it 
>> >> did
>> >> us
>> >> and the millions of people around the world who thought the same way.
>> >> Bush
>> >> was reelected on 2 nov 2004 and Blair looks certain to be reelected in
>> >> the
>> >> UK in May 2005. We all believe we can see the problem and you for one
>> > write
>> >> very movingly about it - so how are we going start solving it? It is
>> > pretty
>> >> complicated - this particular onion has many many skins.
>> >> =======
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I'll step down for a moment from my relatively useless 
>> >> inflammatory
>> >> rhetoric that millions of people are spouting just like me around the
>> >> planet, and go for the gusto and punch up a Real Solution.
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm...  Ok, you got me on that one, there ain't a solution.
>> >>
>> >> LOL........
>> >>
>> >> In America, at least, we are living under a relatively hunkered down
>> >> Military Industrial Dictatorship that could care less if we want a
> Draft
>> >> brought back or not, as they need foot soldiers to secure various
> arenas
>> > in
>> >> the new global conquest game.
>> >>
>> >> So we're basically probably going to have a Draft, and already have a
>> >> Back
>> >> Door Draft as they refer to it, with even current military personnel
>> >> currently suing our government for breach of contract as they just 
>> >> keep
>> >> extending their enlistment unlawfully.
>> >>
>> >> Add to that, that we have a party calling themselves "Republicans" who
>> > have
>> >> basically been hoping to turn back the clock to the early 1900's where
>> >> robber barons ruled the world unchallenged, and such things as rights,
>> >> votes, welfare of people children etc were basically nonexistent.
>> >>
>> >> And it all tied together in one big neat bundle means they can just
> about
>> > do
>> >> anything they want.
>> >>
>> >> The only *real* solution to things such as not desiring a New Draft 
>> >> and
>> > how
>> >> to avoid it, is to get about 10 million people and march on Washington
>> > D.C.
>> >> in protest.
>> >>
>> >> However, given that we cannot *organize* a 10 million person protest
>> >> march
>> >> on D.C. currently, that offers little hope until the Draft legislation
>> >> actually hits the table firmly in Congress, and then maybe at *that*
> late
>> >> date, people will start *really* organizing "in protest".
>> >>
>> >> Americans always wait until *after* the fact about so many things to
>> > squeak
>> >> up, and, just like now, after the fact, it is usually too late.
>> >>
>> >> But, hey, I could keep typing this crap until the sun goes down, and 
>> >> we
>> >> would be no closer to "A Real Solution" than at the time I began 
>> >> typing
>> > it.
>> >>
>> >> But I will typing anyway.  Useless or not.
>> >>
>> >> Let's again look at the Facts, though, just to clear my mind.
>> >>
>> >> We're under a military industrial dictatorship.
>> >>
>> >> We invaded Afghanistan, which supplies 90 percent of all heroin to
> Europe
>> >> and England, to put people in power who give a rat's *ss about
> Afghanis,
>> >> while regular Afghanis are dying in hovels in the slums there after
> being
>> >> invited back by "the new guys".
>> >>
>> >> Score one major great victory for America right there.  If the poppies
>> > that
>> >> make heroin weren't there, and we weren't going to get a piece of that
>> > drug
>> >> money pie under the table in the process, we probably wouldn't have
>> > bothered
>> >> going after something called the Taliban.
>> >>
>> >> We invaded Iraq, spent about a half a trillion dollars almost between
> the
>> > 2,
>> >> basically accomplished nothing except to piss off a whole lot of 
>> >> people
>> > and
>> >> make them even more adamant in their "Anti-American" stances, and are
> now
>> >> spreading ourselves militarily thin and need more personnel to, among
>> > other
>> >> things, man those neat 14 permanent military bases we have already
>> >> started
>> >> construction on in Iraq, as we send drones into Iran as scouts,
> preparing
>> >> for an invasion of that country with the aid of Israel, or visa versa.
>> >>
>> >> We're going to need *lots* more military personnel for that one also.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, so now that we've established that A New Draft will *definitely*
>> > arrive
>> >> in one form or another, as we are currently under a Government that
>> > controls
>> >> the House, the Senate, the White House, most of The Supreme Court, the
>> >> Department of Justice, Etc, and is currently overseas invaded whomever
> in
>> >> The Middle East that has oil underground who is stupid enough to let 
>> >> us
>> >> undermine what little credibility they have in the international
>> > community,
>> >> there's probably not much anyone can really do to avoid a Draft in the
>> >> coming future.
>> >>
>> >> Bush will be in office until when, 2009...?   Geez, that *certainly*
>> >> seems
>> >> like a long time, doesn't it.
>> >>
>> >> By then we will be so deeply embroiled in various wars in The Middle
>> >> East,
>> >> that whomever inherits it won't be able to *not* continue a Draft
> without
>> >> simply abandoning our military arenas on all fronts and simply pull 
>> >> our
>> > kids
>> >> back home.
>> >>
>> >> We are so broke *already*, that kids of The Poor are already 
>> >> scrambling
>> > just
>> >> to get *in* to the military, so they can have an income other than
>> >> McDonalds.
>> >>
>> >> The Solution...?  I don't really know.  A revolution..?  They would
> just
>> >> call out the storm troopers and they would shoot us all, so there will
> be
>> > no
>> >> Boston Tea Parties anytime soon coming down the alleys of Freedom.
>> >>
>> >> A 10 million person march..?  That sounds reasonable.  All one has to
> do
>> > is
>> >> organize it and implement it.  However, since Americans do not
>> >> *currently*
>> >> see a DRASTIC need to get such a thing together and do it, it remains
> one
>> > of
>> >> the farthest things from their minds.
>> >>
>> >> Amazing that someone must now re-teach America how to relive the 60's
> and
>> >> the political activism that was born during and from that pooh poohed
> era
>> > of
>> >> long hair, pot, and hippie music.
>> >>
>> >> They have their heads in televisions, video games, fast cars, and
>> >> refrigerators.
>> >>
>> >> They forgot that they actually have to fight to keep their Freedoms
> alive
>> >> here in their own country.
>> >>
>> >> Entrusted their own well being to Capitalist Communists for the most
>> >> part,
>> >> and are now reaping the results of their own complacency, and their
>> > children
>> >> are paying for it, currently and in the future, by coming back in body
>> > bags.
>> >>
>> >> Solution...?  Probably isn't one.  Most likely 50 years from now there
>> > won't
>> >> even be an Internet as we know it now, the Government will have most
>> > likely
>> >> taken that over by then as well.
>> >>
>> >> The Federalist Society.  Who belongs to that, I forgot.  Scalia,
>> >> Ashcroft,
>> >> etc etc etc etc etc.
>> >>
>> >> They believe the clock should be turned back to a time where men were
>> >> men,
>> >> robber barons ruled the world, women were to cook and shut up, and it
> was
>> >> allright for children to work in the coal mines, especially when the
>> >> roofs
>> >> of the tunnels were too small for adults.
>> >>
>> >> And they are now in the position to actually make it all happen in
>> > reality.
>> >>
>> >> A new Draft appears to be merely another sore popping to the surface 
>> >> of
> a
>> >> humongous deadly disease that has eaten what was left of Democracy,
>> > Freedom,
>> >> Rights, etc in America.
>> >>
>> >> If one can NOT wrest the power from the hands of these current
>> > unscrupulous,
>> >> yes, let's call them what they really are, "REPUBLICANS", then getting
> A
>> > New
>> >> Draft cancelled is impossible.
>> >>
>> >> So, the *real* question is not how to stop a new Draft, but how to
> remove
>> >> the actual power from these Fascists who basically now run the entire
>> >> Federal Government.
>> >>
>> >> The draft thing will naturally follow the solution of that previous
>> >> question.
>> >>
>> >> How to remove them from Power.
>> >>
>> >> Our forefathers would have had a *real* revolution, as they realized
> that
>> >> was the *only* way to remove such tyrants, as exampled as their 
>> >> actions
>> >> toward England in their original revolution.
>> >>
>> >> Today, again, however, they will just gun us down like dogs if we get
>> >> "too
>> >> out of hand", so "revolution" seems just like some nice song on some
>> > Beatles
>> >> album I heard long ago.
>> >>
>> >> Politically remove their Power...?  While they **virtually** control
> the
>> >> entire Federal Government, that basically remains a complete
>> > impossibility.
>> >>
>> >> So, then.....    What the f*ck options are we really left with.
>> >>
>> >> Well....   Hmmm....   Lemme see....
>> >>
>> >> What did THEY use to build the bedrock of their Power on, other than
>> >> compliant treason from various entities in America, including various
>> >> corporations, judges, medias, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, yes, that's right.      Propaganda.
>> >>
>> >> They used simple Propaganda to eliminate some little thing called The
>> > Truth.
>> >>
>> >> And, the Media, it has become apparent, is in it with them.
>> >>
>> >> Ahhh...  Ok, then that leaves us with *what* weapon as a last
> resort...?
>> >>
>> >> Propaganda.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, but for sanity's sake, we'll say that for fighting fire with fire,
>> >> Propaganda with Propaganda, whereas they used Lies, Half-Truths, and
>> >> Delusional Bullsh*t for their Propaganda, we will use The Truth.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, so here we have our weapon, if this be the only weapon left
> available
>> > to
>> >> us, Propaganda, or, The Truth.
>> >>
>> >> Allright, so spreading that takes MONEY.
>> >>
>> >> And that, other than an actual revolution, since political removal of
>> > their
>> >> Power appears impossible at this late date, and a 10 million person
> march
>> > on
>> >> D.C. would be like trying to get an enemated elephant off the toilet,
>> >> appears to be the closest thing that I can come up with an actual
>> >> Solution
>> >> from my tiny uneducated brain.
>> >>
>> >> Since most "Administrations'" "criminal activities" are usually, in
>> > America,
>> >> only prosecuted LONG after the Administration leaves office, trying to
>> >> use
>> >> legal means to unseat them from Power also appears useless, at least 
>> >> in
>> >> an
>> >> immediate light.
>> >>
>> >> 50 years from now, long after I'm gone, someone might read this and 
>> >> say
>> >> "What is THAT crap?  Throw that garbage on the fire and hand me 
>> >> another
>> > clip
>> >> for the rifle..."
>> >>
>> >> And *that* is where we're heading, as you and so many others now
> realize.
>> >>
>> >> So, let's see, we've gone over possible Solutions, let's just relist
> them
>> >> again, for removing THE REPUBLICAN FASCIST PARTY from the Power it
>> > currently
>> >> holds in America and its stranglehold control over the ENTIRE Federal
>> >> Government at this time.
>> >>
>> >> 1.  Political.  Won't work.  We don't have the numbers except for a
>> >> filibuster now and then.
>> >>
>> >> 2.  Legal.  Apparently all the lawyers in America are currently on
>> >> thorazine, and won't sue Administrations, normally, until long after
> they
>> >> are out of office.  Won't work either.
>> >>
>> >> 3.  Revolution.  No can do.  They will shoot us down like dogs.
>> >>
>> >> 4.  10 million person march on D.C.  Might work.  Can't get Americans
> to
>> > get
>> >> off their butts, however, to do it until long after the *necessity* 
>> >> for
>> >> doing it has arrived and gone.
>> >>
>> >> 5.  Counter-Propaganda campaign.  Might work if one has the umpteen
>> > millions
>> >> (billions) of dollars made available to them that it would take to
> engage
>> >> the current Republican Propaganda now firmly in place, with some
> obscure
>> >> thing called The Truth.  Would have to circumvent the Media who is 
>> >> also
>> >> complicit in the current Treason and Betrayal of America somehow.
> Buying
>> >> them off remains an option.  As Hitler or someone said, if you repeat
> the
>> >> same thing over and over and over to a people, convince them that 
>> >> there
>> > are
>> >> Crisises all around them, and then point at any ignoramus enemy, they
>> >> will
>> >> throw all their eggs in with you, which is basically how the
> Republicans
>> >> have managed their Propaganda campaign very nice and tight so far.
> Might
>> >
>> >> work.  Need the cash and organization and brains to pull it off 
>> >> though.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> About 25 percent of votes elected Bush in 2001 came from right wing
>> >> Christian nuts who have been progandasized by The Republicans as to
>> >> everything from Gays, to Food Stamps, to Welfare, to Abortion, to
>> > Liberals,
>> >> to Democrats, to Clinton Getting Head In The Oval Office, to You Name
> It.
>> >> In 2004, the same thing happened, except it was about 50 percent of 
>> >> the
>> >> votes that came from those people, and this time their actual priests
>> >> preached them a sermon based basically on The Political Platform Of 
>> >> The
>> >> Republican Party, on the Sunday before the Tuesday of the Presidential
>> >> Election.
>> >>
>> >> Even if an anti-Propaganda campaign (The Truth) is found to be an
>> > acceptable
>> >> and viable and financeable weapon of choice, *those* particular people
>> > will
>> >> probably not respond whatsoever, as they long ago gave up their common
>> > sense
>> >> for anything spoken by anyone who used the name of Jesus along with 
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> That's about 25 million sure votes the Republicans will, most likely,
>> > always
>> >> be able to count on, as they are easily duped into any kind of 
>> >> betrayal
>> >> of
>> >> Democracy, again, as long as the word "Jesus" is used to frame it 
>> >> with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Other than that, I don't really see any other "solution" hanging
> around,
>> >> other than "Reaching The People With The Truth", which, again, will
> take
>> >> LOTS of money, organization, and brain power.  That someone has not
>> > already
>> >> done it astounds me.
>> >>
>> >> Remove their Power, the Wars, and, consequently, any need for A New
> Draft
>> >> will easily follow.
>> >>
>> >> Convincing "The Military" to give up some of their budgets, powers, 
>> >> and
>> >> secrecy is an entirely different matter, lol, especially since they
> have
>> >> just spent so much money on so many new toys that can broil your
> kidneys,
>> >> boil the water under your skin, or put actual thoughts into your
> cranium.
>> >>
>> >> All put together, The Republicans, with The Military, with The
>> > Corporations,
>> >> with The Media, it looks like one big pile of sh*t, which, again, yes,
>> >> you're right, so many can now plainly see.
>> >>
>> >> A "Solution"...?  Well, if you can't get "The Truth Campaign" off the
>> >> ground, there is always "Revolution" waiting in the wings just waiting
>> >> for
>> >> some really stupid Americans to dust it off.
>> >>
>> >> While seemingly extremely unpalatable now, 50 years from now, that 
>> >> will
>> >> be
>> >> the last option left available to anyone.
>> >>
>> >> Or we can just change our name to Palestine and keep pretending.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheeseburger
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
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